There is no evidence of herd immunity soon

[dukkha]

Previous World Pandemics have taken YEARS to reach herd immunity.No, we are not there.It's going to get worse. MUCH worse.People who do not trust the media are doing themselves and their fellow humans a GRAVE mistake by supporting Trump.

because this is much more contagious -we should hit it much quicker
vaccines are coming 6 are approved for limited use. (you can thank Trump for that (Op Warp Speed)

[dukkha]

Actually, I was hoping trump destroys Covid-19, but he will not.

lol.. maybe China's president Xi will...oh wait..

[rjhenn]

We have no choice but to accept herd immunity. Masks, social distancing, and other steps in attempt to interfere with the spread of the virus are like wearing long sleeves and sunglasses for a nuclear blast. Mother nature is going to have her way, and coronavirus will run its course. We can't stop inevitable herd immunity.

Stuff like this makes one wonder how ev manages to survive from day to day. He seems to be actively seeking a Darwin Award.

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[Darth Omar]

Sort of. We do not know how far we are from herd immunity, or if it will ever happen. We do know we are not close. If we were close, we would see rapidly reducing numbers of cases, which we are not seeing. Outbreaks would be burning themselves out, when the opposite is happening.



Light symptoms is not immunity, it is light symptoms. There are only light symptoms to initial HIV infection, but that is very different from being immune to AIDS.

AIDS is a syndrome caused by the HIV virus. I’ve never heard of a COVID syndrome.

And actually, WuFlu outbreaks do burn themselves out. The Sun Belt peaked then came down. Locally, where I live, my community had a peak and then it went away. Sweden peaked, then burned itself out.

A pandemic is actually a whole bunch of epidemics scattered abroad. Local epidemics peak and then subside like clockwork. If they didn’t subside [burn out] infection numbers would rise to infinity.

We have no idea how near/far Herd Immunity is. Scientifically, we have no idea.

[BartenderElite]

AIDS is a syndrome caused by the HIV virus. I’ve never heard of a COVID syndrome.

And actually, WuFlu outbreaks do burn themselves out. The Sun Belt peaked then came down. Locally, where I live, my community had a peak and then it went away. Sweden peaked, then burned itself out.

A pandemic is actually a whole bunch of epidemics scattered abroad. Local epidemics peak and then subside like clockwork. If they didn’t subside [burn out] infection numbers would rise to infinity.

We have no idea how near/far Herd Immunity is. Scientifically, we have no idea.

The bolded is correct. So why is it a strategy?

[Darth Omar]

The bolded is correct. So why is it a strategy?

Why is the strategy waved-off?

[BartenderElite]

Why is the strategy waved-off?

Like you said. We have no idea right now.

A strategy should be based on some factual assumptions.

[Concart]

AIDS is a syndrome caused by the HIV virus. I’ve never heard of a COVID syndrome.

And actually, WuFlu outbreaks do burn themselves out. The Sun Belt peaked then came down. Locally, where I live, my community had a peak and then it went away. Sweden peaked, then burned itself out.

A pandemic is actually a whole bunch of epidemics scattered abroad. Local epidemics peak and then subside like clockwork. If they didn’t subside [burn out] infection numbers would rise to infinity.

We have no idea how near/far Herd Immunity is. Scientifically, we have no idea.

Still lying I see. Florida, 4,298 new cases today. You call that 'burned out? ROTFLFMAO!!! I'd hate to see if it was still aflame. Sweden? They had 922 new cases yesterday, the equivalent of the US having 35,000 cases. Norway and Finland had fewer than 200. Burned out? No. They are still aflame. They would not go to infinity. Cases come down because there are more active measures in place that lower the R0 to less than 1. Now that Florida has removed many of those active measures, cases are back up. The 7 day rolling average of cases has been rising in Florida for the last 3 weeks. There are not nearly enough cases in any of those places to have even come close to herd immunity.

Scientifically we DO have an idea about how near/far we are from herd immunity. Unless by we you mean you and the turd in your pocket. Then yes, you have no clue. There is no serious virologist that believes herd immunity can be achieved with less than a 50% infection rate.

[Darth Omar]

Like you said. We have no idea right now.

A strategy should be based on some factual assumptions.

Assumptions are assumptions—they aren’t factual lol.

The prevailing *assumption* is millions [or whatever] would die before we got to HE. You conceded in your previous post that there’s no way to know if this *assumption* is valid or not

[Darth Omar]

Still lying I see. Florida, 4,298 new cases today. You call that 'burned out? ROTFLFMAO!!! I'd hate to see if it was still aflame. Sweden? They had 922 new cases yesterday, the equivalent of the US having 35,000 cases. Norway and Finland had fewer than 200. Burned out? No. They are still aflame. They would not go to infinity. Cases come down because there are more active measures in place that lower the R0 to less than 1. Now that Florida has removed many of those active measures, cases are back up. The 7 day rolling average of cases has been rising in Florida for the last 3 weeks. There are not nearly enough cases in any of those places to have even come close to herd immunity.

Scientifically we DO have an idea about how near/far we are from herd immunity. Unless by we you mean you and the turd in your pocket. Then yes, you have no clue. There is no serious virologist that believes herd immunity can be achieved with less than a 50% infection rate.

Still residing in the Hive Mind, I see lol.

Explain this:

When the coronavirus first reached Argentina, Andrés Bonicalzi steeled himself for the sacrifices to come. A lawyer in Buenos Aires, he started working from home, canceled his weekly visits with his parents and vowed to keep his son inside. The government announced one of the world’s strictest lockdowns.

The next few weeks would be difficult.

But those hard weeks have turned into seven months, and much of Argentina’s quarantine, believed to be the world’s longest, is still dragging on.

So much sacrifice, Bonicalzi sometimes thinks, and for what? The South American country has become one of the coronavirus’s most explosive breeding grounds. In early August, fewer than 200,000 Argentines had contracted the virus. That number has since surged to 1.1 million — 1 out of every 44 people — and 28,000 are dead.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp
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You might need to convince some Argentinians how well lockdowns and masks work.

Or maybe the virus is gonna virus.

[Concart]

Still residing in the Hive Mind, I see lol.

Explain this:

When the coronavirus first reached Argentina, Andrés Bonicalzi steeled himself for the sacrifices to come. A lawyer in Buenos Aires, he started working from home, canceled his weekly visits with his parents and vowed to keep his son inside. The government announced one of the world’s strictest lockdowns.

The next few weeks would be difficult.

But those hard weeks have turned into seven months, and much of Argentina’s quarantine, believed to be the world’s longest, is still dragging on.

So much sacrifice, Bonicalzi sometimes thinks, and for what? The South American country has become one of the coronavirus’s most explosive breeding grounds. In early August, fewer than 200,000 Argentines had contracted the virus. That number has since surged to 1.1 million — 1 out of every 44 people — and 28,000 are dead.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp
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You might need to convince some Argentinians how well lockdowns and masks work.

Or maybe the virus is gonna virus.

They aren't really quarantining. The poverty rate is over 40%. Of course they are going to have a huge problem. People in poverty are not participating in face mask wearing or lockdown. Covid is rampant in the slums. And their numbers are about the same but a little less than ours.

You asked me to explain Sweden too. Remember that? You claimed they had achieved herd immunity? LOL at you. You have been wrong about virtually everything.

[Darth Omar]

They aren't really quarantining. The poverty rate is over 40%. Of course they are going to have a huge problem. People in poverty are not participating in face mask wearing or lockdown. Covid is rampant in the slums. And their numbers are about the same but a little less than ours.

You asked me to explain Sweden too. Remember that? You claimed they had achieved herd immunity? LOL at you. You have been wrong about virtually everything.

So your excuse for Argentina is they aren’t locking down effectively lol.

[Stretch]

The Alt Right claims that we are on the verge of herd immunity, or even that we have herd immunity. If that were true, we would see drastically dropping numbers of cases, we are seeing the opposite. Europe is seeing a second wave, America is seeing a third surge, and every country seems easily susceptible to a new outbreak.

Being on the verge of herd immunity was a logical hypothesis, but it has been disproven. We are nowhere near herd immunity. And we do not know why. It appears you can get Covid-19 multiple times, which might be the reason. Also it appears that a mild case of Covid-19 does not setoff a strong immunity reaction, and that additional infections can be cumulative. This means that the second, or third time you get it might do more serious harm than the first time. Or maybe just far fewer people have gotten the disease than we first thought (and thus the disease is far more deadly).

trump's whole policy was maybe he would get lucky. There used to be a chance of that, but right now there is looking to be no chance of that. Now we have to regret no attempt to put a contact tracing system into effect, and no quarantining of the spread of Covid-19.

We haven't even been ALLOWED to try herd immunity. Masks, social distancing & lock downs have prevented an attempt.

[Concart]

So your excuse for Argentina is they aren’t locking down effectively lol.

It isn't an excuse. It's a fact. 40% poverty. Covid running amok in the slums. Try again.

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20...f-buenos-aires