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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    of course we know the reinfection rate. it's miniscule
    We know the reinfection rate after 2 years on a disease we did not even know existed a year ago? How would we know that?

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    again if this were not the case we'd be seeing most everyone being reinfected
    Immunity to mononucleosis lasts for about 10 years. After about 10 years, you can get it again. Everyone is not getting reinfected, because it is not everywhere.

    If immunity to Covid-19 lasts for a year or so, then we could expect people to start getting reinfected in about a year. We would get it over and over again on average every two years...

    Or maybe not. We will not know until we have patients who have had a year ago, which we do not have yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    wtf is an exotic vaccine?
    Previous vaccines involve either living or dead proteins to setoff antibodies. As you mentioned, antibody immunity is very weak, so they are attempting to trigger other parts of the immune system. It is all very new.

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    tedious repetitous crap - trying to compare a virus to a bacteria (tetanus)
    You actually have a good point there. I knew that if you posted for long enough, you would find a good point.

    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    It WAS APPROVED last week by the FDA as far as I know th 300k are already manufactured
    Not approved, and not 300,000 doses, yet.

    In the filing, it specified that it currently had 50,000 doses and that it expected to reach a total of 300,000 doses "within the next few months."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regeneron_Pharmaceuticals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The Alt Right claims that we are on the verge of herd immunity, or even that we have herd immunity. If that were true, we would see drastically dropping numbers of cases, we are seeing the opposite. Europe is seeing a second wave, America is seeing a third surge, and every country seems easily susceptible to a new outbreak.

    Being on the verge of herd immunity was a logical hypothesis, but it has been disproven. We are nowhere near herd immunity. And we do not know why. It appears you can get Covid-19 multiple times, which might be the reason. Also it appears that a mild case of Covid-19 does not setoff a strong immunity reaction, and that additional infections can be cumulative. This means that the second, or third time you get it might do more serious harm than the first time. Or maybe just far fewer people have gotten the disease than we first thought (and thus the disease is far more deadly).

    trump's whole policy was maybe he would get lucky. There used to be a chance of that, but right now there is looking to be no chance of that. Now we have to regret no attempt to put a contact tracing system into effect, and no quarantining of the spread of Covid-19.
    Your ONLY hope is that COVID destroys Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evmetro View Post
    We have no choice but to accept herd immunity.
    Hoping it will go away due to natural herd immunity is not a choice. It is refusing to do the hard work, and hoping for a miracle. Sometimes miracles (rare bits of good luck) happen, but often they do not.

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    Masks, social distancing, and other steps in attempt to interfere with the spread of the virus are like wearing long sleeves and sunglasses for a nuclear blast.
    And yet they have worked... Kind of makes you wonder.

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    Mother nature is going to have her way, and coronavirus will run its course. We can't stop inevitable herd immunity.
    There is no reason to believe that herd immunity is inevitable. If we do get it naturally, then as we die we will be replaced by people who do not have it. If we do not get it, then it will be endemic.

    Will Mother Nature have her way? We have won against many diseases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    Your ONLY hope is that COVID destroys Trump.

    Oh, did you say that out loud?
    Actually, I was hoping trump destroys Covid-19, but he will not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Actually, I was hoping trump destroys Covid-19, but he will not.
    How about we get back to normal and let the virus run its course just like any other virus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granule View Post
    How about we get back to normal and let the virus run its course just like any other virus?
    Other countries have closed their borders to us, so how do we force them to open their borders? Maybe we could invade them all, but that would not be normal.

    And allowing viruses to just kill whoever they will is not what we do anymore. We have medical science and can defeat these viruses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Hoping it will go away due to natural herd immunity is not a choice. It is refusing to do the hard work, and hoping for a miracle. Sometimes miracles (rare bits of good luck) happen, but often they do not.



    And yet they have worked... Kind of makes you wonder.



    There is no reason to believe that herd immunity is inevitable. If we do get it naturally, then as we die we will be replaced by people who do not have it. If we do not get it, then it will be endemic.

    Will Mother Nature have her way? We have won against many diseases.
    We have no choice but to accept herd immunity. Masks, social distancing, and other steps in attempt to interfere with the spread of the virus are like wearing long sleeves and sunglasses for a nuclear blast. Mother nature is going to have her way, and coronavirus will run its course. We can't stop inevitable herd immunity.
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    Just saw a new British study suggesting that immunity only lasts about 3 months, give or take.

    Can anyone explain scientifically how herd immunity would work if that was the case?

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    Hello Walt,

    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The Alt Right claims that we are on the verge of herd immunity, or even that we have herd immunity. If that were true, we would see drastically dropping numbers of cases, we are seeing the opposite. Europe is seeing a second wave, America is seeing a third surge, and every country seems easily susceptible to a new outbreak.

    Being on the verge of herd immunity was a logical hypothesis, but it has been disproven. We are nowhere near herd immunity. And we do not know why. It appears you can get Covid-19 multiple times, which might be the reason. Also it appears that a mild case of Covid-19 does not setoff a strong immunity reaction, and that additional infections can be cumulative. This means that the second, or third time you get it might do more serious harm than the first time. Or maybe just far fewer people have gotten the disease than we first thought (and thus the disease is far more deadly).

    trump's whole policy was maybe he would get lucky. There used to be a chance of that, but right now there is looking to be no chance of that. Now we have to regret no attempt to put a contact tracing system into effect, and no quarantining of the spread of Covid-19.
    Previous World Pandemics have taken YEARS to reach herd immunity.

    No, we are not there.

    It's going to get worse. MUCH worse.

    People who do not trust the media are doing themselves and their fellow humans a GRAVE mistake by supporting Trump.

    And I do mean GRAVE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Other countries have closed their borders to us, so how do we force them to open their borders? Maybe we could invade them all, but that would not be normal.

    And allowing viruses to just kill whoever they will is not what we do anymore. We have medical science and can defeat these viruses.
    Let's add that if we 'let the virus run it's course' our hospitals will be overrun, poor people will be dying horrible deaths in their homes, the ranks of health care workers will be decimated, doctors in ERs will be making life and death decisions on the spot 'sorry sir, you are too old for us to treat, be sure to make out your will' and the economic cost will astronomical. It's completely unworkable. Apparently some people think this is a binary choice, and it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    People can get it twice.
    The herd immunity hope is ghoulish and unscientific.
    ROFL.. another idiot
    how do you think a virus stops spreading throughout history? - before vaccines?
    and vaccines do add to herd immunity
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    ROFL.. another idiot
    how do you think a virus stops spreading throughout history? - before vaccines?
    and vaccines do add to herd immunity
    New British study out today suggesting that immunity only lasts about 3 months.

    Get all sciency on this one - describe to me how herd immunity can work given that, and the #'s required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    People can get it twice.

    The herd immunity hope is ghoulish and unscientific.
    Antibodies are only one route to herd immunity, there are killer T-cells as well!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Let's add that if we 'let the virus run it's course' our hospitals will be overrun, poor people will be dying horrible deaths in their homes, the ranks of health care workers will be decimated, doctors in ERs will be making life and death decisions on the spot 'sorry sir, you are too old for us to treat, be sure to make out your will' and the economic cost will astronomical. It's completely unworkable. Apparently some people think this is a binary choice, and it isn't.
    OMG!
    didn't we just hear that for the first lockdown? you wanna do this again and turn us into a stone age economy?

    we've made a lot of progress in therapeutics and recognizing best treatments ( like not rushing to ventillators)
    vaccines are coming out end of year/early next year.

    how about do with my family? my sister is immune compromised - she does not shop.
    My mother is 87 -she'll shop occasionally - the point is they self quarantine due to being high risk

    I use hygiene/distancing and go out and do alll the chores -we're all alive still

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    New British study out today suggesting that immunity only lasts about 3 months.

    Get all sciency on this one - describe to me how herd immunity can work given that, and the #'s required.
    gawd almighty -did you read the thread? B memory cells? T cells? and please link when referring

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