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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Well, there is no ‘virtually free’ stuff.

    That’s always the rub with socialism: someone is always on the hook for the not really free stuff.
    Duh. "Free stuff" generally refers to things that the working-class gets, which the rich pay for. In order to use Medicare, the working-class pays in to it.
    Now if Medicare was free to anyone making under like $500,000 a year, then you could use that as an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    That's a completely different issue. The point is that free stuff doesn't cause less freedom. I'd say it causes the opposite, because it empowers the working-class.
    I think the working class should work and buy their own stuff instead of demanding someone provide it for them. Its a sense of accomplishment thing.

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    Having said all that......I do believe that giving is a great thing. I have volunteered time and money many many times in my life and think its important to do so. If more people would do that the govt would not have to confiscate so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    I think the working class should work and buy their own stuff instead of demanding someone provide it for them. Its a sense of accomplishment thing.
    That's nice from an emotion-based ideological point of view, but if you want more freedom and a better economy, it's better to level the playing field.

    Same goes for cops. Maybe we shouldn't have cops because everyone should defend themselves. There's a sense of accomplishment there.
    But no, having cops just works better because we live in a society, not the Hunger Games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    That's nice from an emotion-based ideological point of view, but if you want more freedom and a better economy, it's better to level the playing field.

    Same goes for cops. Maybe we shouldn't have cops because everyone should defend themselves. There's a sense of accomplishment there.
    But no, having cops just works better because we live in a society, not the Hunger Games.
    Im all for keeping cops around. But Im betting I would do pretty good if I had to go it alone too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    Im all for keeping cops around. But Im betting I would do pretty good if I had to go it alone too...
    Well that's good for you, but because we live in a society, most of us care about other people. That's why we have cops and that's why we should have free healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    I think the working class should work and buy their own stuff instead of demanding someone provide it for them. Its a sense of accomplishment thing.
    Lower the tax rate and watch them buy more lol.

    Funny how that works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Well that's good for you, but because we live in a society, most of us care about other people. That's why we have cops and that's why we should have free healthcare.
    But its NOT FREE. Is the hospital building itself? Are the doctors and nurses working for nothing? There is no free. Someone is paying for it. That someone is us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    How is Trump the "most criminal president in US history?" Can you give us some examples?
    I thought that he spelled "Obama" wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Well that's good for you, but because we live in a society, most of us care about other people. That's why we have cops and that's why we should have free healthcare.
    Buy your own healthcare you cheap idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaningright View Post
    ... and why I’ll never vote for “free stuff.”

    There is no free stuff. It is about where you put the revenue we accumulate. I guess you want the rich to get more free stuff.

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    I do however agree BELIEVE IT OR NOT that we are quickly approaching a time when something needs to be done about our healthcare system. I just dont know what. I just dont believe socialized medicine is the answer. Sliding scale maybe??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    I do however agree BELIEVE IT OR NOT that we are quickly approaching a time when something needs to be done about our healthcare system. I just dont know what. I just dont believe socialized medicine is the answer. Sliding scale maybe??????
    Get GovCo out of it. The market will fix itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by votebiden View Post
    You'll vote for the most criminal president in US history, Trump?
    show us on this notepad the evidence of Trump's crimes.....

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    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    But its NOT FREE. Is the hospital building itself? Are the doctors and nurses working for nothing? There is no free. Someone is paying for it. That someone is us.
    When someone says it's "free" they really mean they want the 1% to pay for it, which is good.
    Again, we can go into ideology and feels over reals, but the most important point is that having the 1% pay for welfare programs improves the country. That's why America does better under Democrats.

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