Delta has banned 460 anti-maskers

[Bill]

Hello Bill,



I am amazed if flying with no testing requirement is not contributing to transmission.

Yes, the air handling system in a plane is good, but cleaning the air for every single passenger is extremely problematic.

I remember one time stuck on a plane where the system didn't work on the ground, and there was a wait for an open gate. We baked in there. The back of the plane was miserable. And one guy was borderline about to totally flip out. Nearby passengers did an excellent job calming him, preventing a total panic attack.

It is hospital grade... I would imagine that now that plane would not be allowed to fly w/ a faulty air circulation system..

More is better, more testing more filters etc etc etc-but it is those around you that are the problem, not the obese orange man coughing w/out a mask ten rows back..

All those can do is increase your odds of not getting the virus........

I don't think you can have seating on an American plane shoulder to shoulder now, there must be some distance-the question is that enough distance, even w/ superior air flows & filters??

This is an interesting read:

The air in a plane is filtered and 99.97% sterile
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According to the studies of the European Aviation Safety Agency the air in the aircraft is changed every 2-3 minutes and the filters it goes through are able to eliminate even coronavirus.

The main question nowadays, at the time of global coronavirus outbreak, is whether it is safe to fly or is there a big possibility to get infected while on board? With the connections between China and the rest of the world, many turned their attention to the aircraft cabin, in particular on the air that passengers breathe, sometimes even for as long as 17-18 hours (on intercontinental flights).

It is only reasonable that there are doubts about the aircraft - they are enclosed spaces, where one is in close contact with other travelers, almost all of whom are strangers and whose past, contacts and trips are obviously unknown. Therefore, even the tiniest sneeze or cough worries everyone around.

Studies
IATA, the international association that brings together 300 airlines around the globe confirms that in reality, the air on board is very clean and really safe. To confirm such fact, there are two studies of EASA, the independent European agency for aviation safety, dating back to 2017. Those documents claim that the air quality in the cabin is similar or even better than that normally recorded in indoor environments such as offices, schools and homes. The reason for it is that the aircraft system is designed to circulate air, which is 50% taken from outside and 50% is internal and filtered. In some cases, like Delta Air Lines' Boeing 717s, the air is taken entirely from the outside and adapted to be suitable to breathe inside.


Sophisticated filters
The air on airplanes is highly sterile. The planes, especially the latest generation ones, have efficient and modern filters called high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA), which are identical to those of hospitals and therefore manage to capture and block up to 99.97% of the microbes present (numbers estimated by IATA). A percentage that some companies confirm on their aircraft board rises to 99.999%, thus stopping small viruses of even 0.01 micrometers in diameter, while coronavirus size ranges from 0.08 to 0.16 micrometers. It is important to understand that air filters in aircraft are capable of dealing with far smaller particles than coronavirus, thus it is wrong to assume that airliners are a place for virus to spread freely and unhindered.

Fresh air every 2-3 minutes
Nevertheless, aircraft renews the air in the cabin frequently for it to be fresh and healthy to breathe, which is not usually performed in classrooms, cinemas nor offices. Airbus states that their A350s change all the air in the cabin every 2-3 minutes; similar times are also recorded in the rival Boeing 787. The interior environments of the aircraft are also regularly disinfected. "The risk of contracting the virus from an infected person at high altitude is in all probability lower than that of enclosed spaces, such as offices", continues the IATA representative.

All member airlines are required to regularly update themselves by consulting a special database within the international association, so you can be sure that the information you receive is the latest and always reliable.

Aviation: a way to control spread of diseases
With modern aircraft having capabilities to filter out nearly all microbes and viruses, we should see airplanes as a way to control spread of diseases, rather than a way of transportation which encourages spread of viruses. To control the ongoing epidemic, it is important to track down all contacts during travel. People flying, go through multiple screenings at airports, where health officials are able to identify an infected person way before the trip, containing disease in an origin country. In case a person passes a check at an origin airport while infected, checks are also carried out at destination airport. The benefit of air travel is that it makes it easier to track down people with whom an infected person had a contact. Additionally, it should be noted, that most airports are disinfected couple of times per day, while some hospitals don’t even have capabilities to carry out disinfection airports do. Airlines also carry out disinfection on their aircraft before and after every flight. With precautious measures aviation sector is taking to prevent the spread of COVID-19, countries should overthink bans and closures of air travel as the other means of transportation cannot guarantee effective examination and control of people travelling.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Bill,

It is hospital grade... I would imagine that now that plane would not be allowed to fly w/ a faulty air circulation system..

More is better, more testing more filters etc etc etc-but it is those around you that are the problem, not the obese orange man coughing w/out a mask ten rows back..

All those can do is increase your odds of not getting the virus........

I don't think you can have seating on an American plane shoulder to shoulder now, there must be some distance-the question is that enough distance, even w/ superior air flows & filters??

This is an interesting read:

The air in a plane is filtered and 99.97% sterile
Share this news submit to reddit

According to the studies of the European Aviation Safety Agency the air in the aircraft is changed every 2-3 minutes and the filters it goes through are able to eliminate even coronavirus.

The main question nowadays, at the time of global coronavirus outbreak, is whether it is safe to fly or is there a big possibility to get infected while on board? With the connections between China and the rest of the world, many turned their attention to the aircraft cabin, in particular on the air that passengers breathe, sometimes even for as long as 17-18 hours (on intercontinental flights).

It is only reasonable that there are doubts about the aircraft - they are enclosed spaces, where one is in close contact with other travelers, almost all of whom are strangers and whose past, contacts and trips are obviously unknown. Therefore, even the tiniest sneeze or cough worries everyone around.

Studies
IATA, the international association that brings together 300 airlines around the globe confirms that in reality, the air on board is very clean and really safe. To confirm such fact, there are two studies of EASA, the independent European agency for aviation safety, dating back to 2017. Those documents claim that the air quality in the cabin is similar or even better than that normally recorded in indoor environments such as offices, schools and homes. The reason for it is that the aircraft system is designed to circulate air, which is 50% taken from outside and 50% is internal and filtered. In some cases, like Delta Air Lines' Boeing 717s, the air is taken entirely from the outside and adapted to be suitable to breathe inside.


Sophisticated filters
The air on airplanes is highly sterile. The planes, especially the latest generation ones, have efficient and modern filters called high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA), which are identical to those of hospitals and therefore manage to capture and block up to 99.97% of the microbes present (numbers estimated by IATA). A percentage that some companies confirm on their aircraft board rises to 99.999%, thus stopping small viruses of even 0.01 micrometers in diameter, while coronavirus size ranges from 0.08 to 0.16 micrometers. It is important to understand that air filters in aircraft are capable of dealing with far smaller particles than coronavirus, thus it is wrong to assume that airliners are a place for virus to spread freely and unhindered.

Fresh air every 2-3 minutes
Nevertheless, aircraft renews the air in the cabin frequently for it to be fresh and healthy to breathe, which is not usually performed in classrooms, cinemas nor offices. Airbus states that their A350s change all the air in the cabin every 2-3 minutes; similar times are also recorded in the rival Boeing 787. The interior environments of the aircraft are also regularly disinfected. "The risk of contracting the virus from an infected person at high altitude is in all probability lower than that of enclosed spaces, such as offices", continues the IATA representative.

All member airlines are required to regularly update themselves by consulting a special database within the international association, so you can be sure that the information you receive is the latest and always reliable.

Aviation: a way to control spread of diseases
With modern aircraft having capabilities to filter out nearly all microbes and viruses, we should see airplanes as a way to control spread of diseases, rather than a way of transportation which encourages spread of viruses. To control the ongoing epidemic, it is important to track down all contacts during travel. People flying, go through multiple screenings at airports, where health officials are able to identify an infected person way before the trip, containing disease in an origin country. In case a person passes a check at an origin airport while infected, checks are also carried out at destination airport. The benefit of air travel is that it makes it easier to track down people with whom an infected person had a contact. Additionally, it should be noted, that most airports are disinfected couple of times per day, while some hospitals don’t even have capabilities to carry out disinfection airports do. Airlines also carry out disinfection on their aircraft before and after every flight. With precautious measures aviation sector is taking to prevent the spread of COVID-19, countries should overthink bans and closures of air travel as the other means of transportation cannot guarantee effective examination and control of people travelling.

That explains why we are not hearing of air travel being responsible for transmission. I do trust the media to report if that were occurring.

That sounds good. I hope it is all as stated. Naturally, the information coming from those who profit from the business is always suspect. How often are the filters in aircraft changed? Does that level of filtration exist when the filters are renewed, and then continue to turn in those numbers as the filters are loaded up and reach the point at which they are (hopefully) timely changed?

[Phantasmal]

Yea, they should accommodations for them, tied to the wing or in luggage compartment w/ the pets, after 14 day quarantine..

That’s a great idea

[Nordberg]

Advice to everyone: you do not want to pick your fights in the friendly skies. If you refuse to mask-up, they will declare a passenger disturbance level against you, and that is something you want to avoid.

Anti maskers are causing trouble by stubbornly refusing to follow rules of safety the airlines require. There have been many incidents of antis fighting and making scenes. If you were running a business you would want to get rid of that grief too. Airlines do not have to declare a belief in masks. They want to stop trouble and aggravation. Antis are making their business ugly and troublesome.

[Geeko Sportivo]

Trump's Brain will end up being studied by the Mental Health Institutions for generations to come.

The medical institutions will name a Personality Disorder after him called the "Trump Syndrome Personality Disorder" It will be nicknamed "Trumptardism"!

First of all Donald Trump's ideas of Macho-ism is deranged, as he still thinks that paying taxes, joining the military, telling the truth, being honest, playing by the rules, paying your debts, apologizing, and treating women with respect are for suckers, pussies, and fools.

Ever since Donald Trump overheard someone refer to a mask as a prophylactic, he has made the comment, I don't wear prophylactics, and so therefore he thinks it is macho to refuse wearing a mask- AND THEN ENDS UP CATCHING THE VIRUS AND SPREADING IT THROUGHOUT THE WHITE HOUSE AND BEYOND.

DONALD TRUMP IS THE REAL PUSSY- HE IS THE REAL SISSY- PICKS ON WOMEN AND MINORITIES.

There is nothing Macho about Donald Trump!

[CFM]

That’s a great idea

When do you plan on personally trying to tie anyone to those locations, cunt?

[Minister of Truth]

What does that actually mean??

Consequences??

Yes, even a Level 1 disturbance means you are going to be interviewed by law enforcement at a minimum. Declared levels can result in being banned from an airline or even being placed on the Do Not Fly list. It likely means having a mark on your criminal record. While a lot of Level 1 disturbances are handled by the airline as a customer service matter, and not referred to law enforcement, I would say that masks are a fairly sensitive topic at the moment, and people are not receiving any latitude.

[Bill]

Hello Bill,



That explains why we are not hearing of air travel being responsible for transmission. I do trust the media to report if that were occurring.

That sounds good. I hope it is all as stated. Naturally, the information coming from those who profit from the business is always suspect. How often are the filters in aircraft changed? Does that level of filtration exist when the filters are renewed, and then continue to turn in those numbers as the filters are loaded up and reach the point at which they are (hopefully) timely changed?

Ppl are worried about any kinda situation like that, as seen by what has been happening on planes & I can't blame them..

There are older ppl that have not been out of the house in 10 months, but they are alive......

[Bill]

Anti maskers are causing trouble by stubbornly refusing to follow rules of safety the airlines require. There have been many incidents of antis fighting and making scenes. If you were running a business you would want to get rid of that grief too. Airlines do not have to declare a belief in masks. They want to stop trouble and aggravation. Antis are making their business ugly and troublesome.

Imagine what later generations, w/ their troubles, partly or mostly caused by the present generations, will think of the mask martyrs??

Childish, selfish self absorbed victims of their own making..........

While the world slowly went to shit they held up the line explaining their victomology to employees that can't make their pain go away-Oye Vay

[Bill]

Yes, even a Level 1 disturbance means you are going to be interviewed by law enforcement at a minimum. Declared levels can result in being banned from an airline or even being placed on the Do Not Fly list. It likely means having a mark on your criminal record. While a lot of Level 1 disturbances are handled by the airline as a customer service matter, and not referred to law enforcement, I would say that masks are a fairly sensitive topic at the moment, and people are not receiving any latitude.

In the middle of a pandemic seems totally reasonable to me..

[Into the Night]

...deleted obnoxious fonts and bolding...Good for them! No mask, no service!!!
Washington (CNN Business)In a new memo, Delta Air Lines says it has banned more than 400 people from flying for not following the airline's mask policy.

"As of this week, we've added 460 people to our no-fly list for refusing to comply with our mask requirement," Delta CEO Ed Bastian said in a message to employees."

In August, the airline said it had banned roughly 270 passengers since the outset of the pandemic. Delta ...deleted Holy Links... began requiring that passengers wear masks on flights on May 4.

All major airlines are really suffering from lack of business too.

[Into the Night]

It is hospital grade... I would imagine that now that plane would not be allowed to fly w/ a faulty air circulation system..

More is better, more testing more filters etc etc etc-but it is those around you that are the problem, not the obese orange man coughing w/out a mask ten rows back..

All those can do is increase your odds of not getting the virus........

I don't think you can have seating on an American plane shoulder to shoulder now, there must be some distance-the question is that enough distance, even w/ superior air flows & filters??

This is an interesting read:

The air in a plane is filtered and 99.97% sterile
Share this news submit to reddit

According to the studies of the European Aviation Safety Agency the air in the aircraft is changed every 2-3 minutes and the filters it goes through are able to eliminate even coronavirus.

Bogus. There are no filters on cabin air in a commercial jet. Cabin air is a combination of compressed air coming off the engine compressors (which provides heated air) and static air (just ambient cold air that's outside) being combined and let out through vents in the cabin. This is also compressed air to provide for cabin pressurization at altitude. Cabin air is then vented back outside through two vents with valves that cycle on and off that are mounted in the rear bulkhead. These valves are open most of the time. Cabin air is thus at the same air pressure found at around 8000ft (as set by the pilots). Short haul flights sometimes use 5000ft. Pressure is regulated by the two vents in the rear bulkhead cycling on and off.

There are no filters. None are needed. Compressor air is clean. There is no exhaust in it. Outside air is clean. It's at 35,000 feet.

Masks do not stop a virus. Airlines requiring them are only paying for their idiocy with their wallets.

[Into the Night]

Anti maskers are causing trouble by stubbornly refusing to follow rules of safety the airlines require. There have been many incidents of antis fighting and making scenes. If you were running a business you would want to get rid of that grief too. Airlines do not have to declare a belief in masks. They want to stop trouble and aggravation. Antis are making their business ugly and troublesome.

A mask is not capable of stopping Covid19. It cannot stop a virus. Airlines HAVE declared a belief in masks. It is hypochondria. If they want to stop trouble, stop requiring masks. It is not a safety rule.

[Into the Night]

Hello Bill,



That explains why we are not hearing of air travel being responsible for transmission. I do trust the media to report if that were occurring.

That sounds good. I hope it is all as stated. Naturally, the information coming from those who profit from the business is always suspect. How often are the filters in aircraft changed? Does that level of filtration exist when the filters are renewed, and then continue to turn in those numbers as the filters are loaded up and reach the point at which they are (hopefully) timely changed?

Covid19 arrived in the United States due to air travel from China....which is why Trump shut it down.

[Into the Night]

That would be 460 un American tRump cult followers who are a deplorable presence on the ground and in the air. At least the flights will be 460 cases of filth and virus free.

Flights are not virus free.