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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Not going to happen. Biden does not have authority to dictate energy markets.
    A president sets policy and his people attempt to carry it out, That is not dictating. If he gets alternative energy humming, it will eliminate fossil fuels in the marketplace. You say weird things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    A president sets policy and his people attempt to carry it out, That is not dictating. If he gets alternative energy humming, it will eliminate fossil fuels in the marketplace. You say weird things.
    Biden would need a miracle from God to make that happen. "Alternative energy" is expensive. It has been and for the foreseeable future will be. Maybe Biden will force the DoD to start buying $26 a gallon biofuel again...

    Or, he could hand out a few billion to companies to "go green" or make "green" stuff and then watch as that money disappears down a rabbit hole with nothing resulting from it other than some bankruptcies...

    Shutting down oil exploration and fracking, along with production where possible, likely will see the return of imports from Saudi Arabia and elsewhere along with $5 a gallon gasoline. That'll make him real popular...

    One thing I can guarantee is that "going green" isn't cheap or cost effective...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Biden would need a miracle from God to make that happen. "Alternative energy" is expensive. It has been and for the foreseeable future will be. Maybe Biden will force the DoD to start buying $26 a gallon biofuel again...

    Or, he could hand out a few billion to companies to "go green" or make "green" stuff and then watch as that money disappears down a rabbit hole with nothing resulting from it other than some bankruptcies...

    Shutting down oil exploration and fracking, along with production where possible, likely will see the return of imports from Saudi Arabia and elsewhere along with $5 a gallon gasoline. That'll make him real popular...

    One thing I can guarantee is that "going green" isn't cheap or cost effective...
    I do not recall saying it is easy. Alternative is getting cheaper all the time.
    Fold in the pollution and healthcare damage fossil fuels cause and alternative is cheaper now.
    You missed all the coal mines and fossil fuel companies that went it of business. Trump and many states are trying to put alternative out of business.
    Alternative is over 24 percent of American needs now. 26 percent of world energy. It will be 40 by 2040.
    I guarantee it is better and cheaper than fossil fuels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    O do not recall saying it is easy. Alternative is getting cheaper all the time.
    Fold in the pollution and healthcare damage fossil fuels cause and alternative is cheaper now.
    You missed all the coal mines and fossil fuel companies that went it of business. Trump and many states are trying to put alternative out of business.
    Alternative is over 24 percent of American needs now. 26 percent of world energy. It will be 40 by 2040.
    I guarantee it is better and cheaper than fossil fuels.
    Then riddle me this: Why is it that those countries and localities with "alternatives" have (with a few exceptions) the highest energy costs on the planet and rising?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Then riddle me this: Why is it that those countries and localities with "alternatives" have (with a few exceptions) the highest energy costs on the planet and rising?
    And are building Nuclear power plants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    O do not recall saying it is easy. Alternative is getting cheaper all the time.
    Fold in the pollution and healthcare damage fossil fuels cause and alternative is cheaper now.
    You missed all the coal mines and fossil fuel companies that went it of business. Trump and many states are trying to put alternative out of business.
    Alternative is over 24 percent of American needs now. 26 percent of world energy. It will be 40 by 2040.
    I guarantee it is better and cheaper than fossil fuels.
    You really are an ocean going bullshitter. Here is the proportion of world energy from renewables other than hydro, it's tiny!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Marbury v Madison 1803 gives Supremes exactly that power. They interpret the Constitution.
    The supreme court does not have power to usurp authority over the Constitution. See Article III.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Energy markets will either keep up with their newer green renewable energy source competition- or they will die along with the dinasaurs that created the Black sludge in the first place.
    Oil does not come from dinosaurs. Natural gas does not come from dinosaurs. Oil wells go down well below the fossil layer. Natural gas can come from swamps and landfills. No dinosaurs there. You have obviously never seen a barrel of crude oil. It is not a sludge. Oil and natural gas are renewable fuels.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    Biden is not a dictator nor does he intend to be one.
    Biden couldn't lead a mailman to a mailbox.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    He believes in free enterprise and will let the markets decide things for themselves.
    BULLSHIT! It was Biden as VP when nationalization of the medical insurance industry (Obamacare) took place. It was Biden as VP when the nationalization of the used car market took place (the failed Cash for Clunkers program). It was Biden as VP when burdensome regulations designed to ban coal and oil exploration were put in place. Biden is a fascist. He believes markets should be manipulated by government. That's what fascism is. It is a form of socialism. Biden's scandal with the Ukraine and with China show that the last thing he wants is free markets.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    BUT THE WORLD IS MOVING ON TO RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES- AND EITHER JOIN THEM OR GET LEFT BEHIND!
    False dichotomy fallacy. Bigotry. You don't get to speak for the world or for the energy market. You only get to speak for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    Where in Article II does the Constitution mention executive orders, ordering troops into combat, and firing employees he hired?
    $1 and $2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    $1 and $2.
    So, no answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    A president sets policy and his people attempt to carry it out, That is not dictating. If he gets alternative energy humming, it will eliminate fossil fuels in the marketplace. You say weird things.
    That is dictating. Biden does not have authority to dictate energy markets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    O do not recall saying it is easy. Alternative is getting cheaper all the time.
    Solar power and wind power are piddle power. It is not getting cheaper. It is getting subsidized. That's illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Fold in the pollution and healthcare damage fossil fuels cause and alternative is cheaper now.
    Buzzwords. Define 'pollution'. Define 'healthcare damage'. Fossils are not used for fuel. Fossils do not burn.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    You missed all the coal mines and fossil fuel companies that went it of business. Trump and many states are trying to put alternative out of business.
    Divisional error fallacy. A coal mine or oil company that goes out of business means nothing. Solar and wind projects funded by government programs should go out of business.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Alternative is over 24 percent of American needs now. 26 percent of world energy. It will be 40 by 2040.
    Random numbers. Argument from randU fallacy. You are making up numbers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    I guarantee it is better and cheaper than fossil fuels.
    No one uses fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    So, no answer?
    RQAA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    RQAA
    Back to that to cover for your failures, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Then riddle me this: Why is it that those countries and localities with "alternatives" have (with a few exceptions) the highest energy costs on the planet and rising?
    They don't. You are ignoring the costs of pollution and health costs dirty fuels create.

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