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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    what "myth"? reserves are at least 50 years at current prices -that's into at least 2070.
    If prices go up,it becomes more economically feasible to look for other extractions other then just readily tapable

    then there is nat gas. more nat gas energy plants can produce more electricity without oil -
    and not increase coal.

    There is no hurry on this -transition to other power sources (geothermal/biomass,etc) can be done without spending tens of trillions on shitty sources like panels and wind farms.

    Or just get smart and build nuke plants like France!
    It's 53 years.

    That's if consumption stays at current levels.

    Think about that one.

    Nukes are generationally irresponsible.

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    Great idea! Thanks Joe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    You and I both know they won't stop using those things.

    When using transportation methods that involve oil and gas, AOC the ring leader of the Green New Deal, said "living in the world as it is isn't an argument against working towards a better future."

    Wouldn't someone that is pushing what she pushes be working to the fullest extent she can not just giving lip service to the cause?
    AOC hasn't got a clue. It's sort of the asking her, "Where does hamburger come from?" Her answer would be "The grocery store, silly! Everybody knows that..." Same thing here. In her world wishes come true and reality doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    AOC hasn't got a clue. It's sort of the asking her, "Where does hamburger come from?" Her answer would be "The grocery store, silly! Everybody knows that..." Same thing here. In her world wishes come true and reality doesn't matter.
    Liar

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    It's 53 years.

    That's if consumption stays at current levels.

    Think about that one.
    Okay, I did. Coal can be turned into oil too. How many years does that add? Making oil from algae. How many more? Your view is myopic.

    Nukes are generationally irresponsible.
    Do you even have any real concept of how things nuclear work? What about radiation? What types of radioactive particles are there? How much exposure is truly, seriously, dangerous?

    You see, your statement is nothing but an off-hand, flippant, remark based on accepting what others of like-mind tell you without any actual knowledge of nuclear energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    It's 53 years.

    That's if consumption stays at current levels.

    Think about that one.

    Nukes are generationally irresponsible.
    it depends more on pricing then consumption
    even 50 years is a long time - and advanced extraction techniques can open up the Arctic and Anarctic.

    Then there is off shore. Nukes are fine. Im not an expert but there are new generation as well

    wind and solar are not clean sources, they are only carbon free emissions.

    Basically the market can do all this, but shutting down oil and nat gas is not feasible .
    Zero emissons are not feasible

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    AOC hasn't got a clue. It's sort of the asking her, "Where does hamburger come from?" Her answer would be "The grocery store, silly! Everybody knows that..." Same thing here. In her world wishes come true and reality doesn't matter.
    AOC is immersed in this stuff. She gets a lot of unwarranted ridicule from the right, but she thinks through all of the details on this and has sound reasoning for everything.

    It's easier to marginalize someone than it is to actually counter their ideas w/ better ones. She's thinking with generational responsibility in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    it depends more on pricing then consumption
    even 50 years is a long time - and advanced extraction techniques can open up the Arctic and Anarctic.
    No - it depends on consumption. And 50 years IS a long time - if it was accurate. But it is not. Because it does not take into account increased consumption.

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    anatta the socialist now big oil cum gargler. This make sense to anyone?

    Pathetic job, loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beijing Buyden View Post
    clearly you have the same reading comprehension skills as every other stupid fucking marxist on this board. The laws of thermodynamics is why wind and solar will never be able to provide the same cost effective energy as fossil fuels. It is impossible. Physics tells us it is so.
    Just what do the Laws of Thermodynamics have to do with wind, solar, or even oil? Then do affect the extraction of vegetable oils from plants, however, that does not include crude oil.

    And being the dumb f**k repugnant one you are science is something to avoid.

    If oil were truly "running out", it would be reflected in prices. It is not. Prices are high becuase artificial barriers put in place by gobblements and your gasoline prices are high thanks to taxation
    If not for fracking, a process developed by the "gobblement", where would the oil industry be? Then you add to the equation the growth of wind, and solar, and you have the answer to your mindless question.

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    Kindly go fuck yourself. Thank you
    Ahhh yes, trying to promote a right wing thumb up your ass habit again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    No - it depends on consumption. And 50 years IS a long time - if it was accurate. But it is not. Because it does not take into account increased consumption.
    the pricing allows for more extraction. You can't extract if the price to do so is greater then the market will bear.

    Fraking is a whole new area. Look at the Dakotas.
    When oil prices are high, they do a lot of fracking, when they are low ( like now) they don't

    The pricing drives the extractions -same world wide. https://www.jwnenergy.com/article/20...lds-largest-o/
    Alberta’s recoverable reserves of oil (oil sands) are, still conservatively, the largest on Earth by far, and are larger than those of Saudi Arabia and Venezuela combined, as shown in Table .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    anatta the socialist now big oil cum gargler. This make sense to anyone?

    Pathetic job, loser.
    the troll farts a thought.. at one time you were actually lucid - if disgusting
    now you are just disgusting

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    the pricing allows for more extraction. You can't extract if the price to do so is greater then the market will bear.

    Fraking is a whole new area. Look at the Dakotas.
    When oil prices are high, they do a lot of fracking, when they are low ( like now) they don't

    The pricing drives the extractions -same world wide. https://www.jwnenergy.com/article/20...lds-largest-o/
    Alberta’s recoverable reserves of oil (oil sands) are, still conservatively, the largest on Earth by far, and are larger than those of Saudi Arabia and Venezuela combined, as shown in Table .
    You're completely avoiding the topic.

    Your estimate on time for the reserves is faulty, because it doesn't take any increased consumption into account.

    The same logic applies to everything else you're citing.

    You have no idea when we'll run out. No one does. With population increases, it could happen relatively quickly. We need decades to transition - if we're not prepared, it would be catastrophic for our civilization.

    I'm not a dice roller w/ stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    No - it depends on consumption. And 50 years IS a long time - if it was accurate. But it is not. Because it does not take into account increased consumption.
    With the increases in energy development especially with solar, the future says oil consumption will decline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    AOC is immersed in this stuff. She gets a lot of unwarranted ridicule from the right, but she thinks through all of the details on this and has sound reasoning for everything.

    It's easier to marginalize someone than it is to actually counter their ideas w/ better ones. She's thinking with generational responsibility in mind.
    She doesn't know what a garbage disposal is...



    This is a woman that is pushing a major idea that would upend the US socially and economically (The New Green Deal) and yet she hasn't got a fucking clue what she's talking about. Do you think she's got a clue what's involved in making high speed rail work in the US? Do you think she's even the least bit bothered by California's disastrous failure to try and build a high speed rail line?



    That's a 'monument' to the disaster of high speed rail in California.

    I have better ideas, and others like me have them too. We do natural gas (cheap with fracking) and nuclear power for energy. This allows the transition from coal and gives miners jobs mining uranium and thorium. The US alone has more than 1000 years worth of these materials to make energy in abundance. The waste products can be safely reprocessed and / or stored basically forever. Natural gas gives us the flexibility to meet grid demand above base load.
    We move to fuel cell cars using hydrogen, cracked methane, or ammonia to have zero emissions there.
    We dump solar and wind entirely as they are expensive, unworkable non-solutions.

    Going to natural gas for heating homes and as an option for cooking is going to reduce CO2 over heating oil, pellet stoves, etc. Unlike pellet stoves (used widely in supposedly "Green" leading countries like Germany), natural gas leaves no ash to remove. It doesn't produce huge amounts of VOC during production, and we don't have to chop down forests the size of Texas to get the raw material to make it.

    AOC couldn't think her way out of a wet paper sack. She's a moron, and you are a moron if you're listening to her and her ilk.

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