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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    People from seven predominantly Muslim countries. The courts then blocked a second ban before it took effect. Then, in Doe v. Trump the court blocked his refugee ban.
    Those are known terrorist countries. At least be a little honest here. That was a matter of national security, not racism or religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Incorrect. the Constitution vests the President with full executive powers. He can make executive orders all day, all night, all week, all year.
    That is what I said. If we give a liberal expansive view of presidential power we can say he has that power; but, if we give a more limited interpretation of federal power he would not. Those executive orders also must comply with federal laws and/or the Constitution. Certainly presidents have issued many executive orders that were not necessary to faithfully execute federal laws or uphold the Constitution.

    "Executive powers" is not defined and what it includes is based on court interpretations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    A rule of thumb: If you're lying about nonexistent voter fraud, if you're limiting polling places, if you're forcing people to line up to vote in a pandemic, even the old and the infirm, then it seems you're basically admitting most Americans don't want you to be president.
    - Dan Rather, Jun 22, 2020
    If you are hero-worshiping a lying Leftist who libeled others with fabricated misinformation because he fancied himself the determinant of the truth, it is likely that you are lying about OTHER people being the wackadoodles.

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    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    If you are hero-worshiping a lying Leftist who libeled others with fabricated misinformation because he fancied himself the determinant of the truth, it is likely that you are lying about OTHER people being the wackadoodles.

    Jussayn.
    You, being an well known wackadoodle, certainly have the expertise to know the difference....but requires a sane person to be factual and recognize not only the difference but why one is superior to the other.

    BTW, Trump is dying in his Michigan rally speech on Fox. Clearly he's lost his appeal compared to even a month ago. Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    We have a renewable ozone layer. We couldn't destroy it even if we wanted to.
    Coral also renews. It's a living thing.
    Glaciers also renew. It snows.
    Yes, you went to the Inhoff school of glacier management, I see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    That is what I said. If we give a liberal expansive view of presidential power we can say he has that power; but, if we give a more limited interpretation of federal power he would not.
    ... and I am saying that you are mistaken. There is no breadth of interpretation that prohibits any Executive power from the President. The Constitution is clear. All Executive power is vested in the President. All of it. There is no "except for" into which you could argue Executive orders fall. Any Executive order is Executive and is the President's vested power per the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Those executive orders also must comply with federal laws and/or the Constitution.
    Yes, and ...?

    The President cannot violate the Constitution.
    Congress cannot violate the Constitution.
    The Supreme Court cannot violate the Constitution.

    Congress makes the laws.
    The President executes the laws via executive orders.
    The Supreme Court applies the law in cases involving laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Certainly presidents have issued many executive orders that were not necessary to faithfully execute federal laws or uphold the Constitution.
    The only Executive orders issued were considered necessary to faithfully execute Federal laws or uphold the Constitution ... except some of those issued by Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    "Executive powers" is not defined and what it includes is based on court interpretations.
    It is not based on court interpretation. It is based on State interpretation.

    "Executive Powers" are just as defined as the word "execute." You could argue that any word is only defined so much. The Constitution provides sufficient context for "Executive Power" to be sufficiently defined.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Ammonia has the same BTU as always. It is also dangerous to handle. That won't work.
    Hydrogen has the same BTU as always. It will also require high pressure tanks to be a practical fuel source in cars (dangerous!).
    Controlled fusion might happen, but since this reaction is effectively creating a small star, containing that thing and putting it in a bottle of some kind so you can extract power from it and get fuel into it is not exactly an easy task. It probably will never be a practical mobile power supply for things like cars and trucks due to the requirements of a containment system.

    Time does not change any of this.
    Ammonia is a $60 billion industry already, so the handling and transportation aspects are extremely well.known already. This paper in Science describes in detail how green ammonia can be produced.

    Ammonia—a renewable fuel made from sun, air, and water—could power the globe without carbon



    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...without-carbon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    You, being an well known wackadoodle, ...
    Nope. You see? Right here you are living up to your reputation as someone who aspires to be a global-scale liar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    ...but requires a sane person to be factual and recognize not only the difference but why one is superior to the other.
    ... says the cognitively challenged driveller who is worse than Joe Biden at distinguishing between people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    BTW, Trump is dying in his Michigan rally speech on Fox.
    Nope. You are clearly lying. I see that as a common theme with you.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trump's Brain View Post
    Yes, you went to the Inhoff school of glacier management, I see
    You dropped out of high school I see.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    And the Constitution does not give the president power to issue executive orders unless we give a liberal expansive interpretation of its powers.
    Yes it does. See Articles I and II.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The SC did not "change" the Constitution. It prohibited the president from exercising authority he does not have.
    The SC did try to change the Constitution. Trump does have that authority. See Articles I and II.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Actually, the president has bad attorneys.
    Irrelevant.
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    The president lost some of these cases about executive orders because the Administrative Procedures Act requires an explanation for his actions which was not provided.
    The Administrative Procedures Act is not the Constitution of the United States.

    Like usual, you are denying the Constitution of the United States and trying to place the supreme court as an oligarchy over the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    People from seven predominantly Muslim countries.
    People of a nation is not a religion. Redefinition fallacy. Trump has authority to limit or ban travel to or from any nation. Congress can override this, of course, but the supreme court cannot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The courts then blocked a second ban before it took effect.
    It does not have that authority. It cannot change the Constitution of the United States.
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    Then, in Doe v. Trump the court blocked his refugee ban.
    It does not have that authority either. The court cannot change the Constitution of the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    The only way I think wind and solar have a future is if we get rid of the grid and people produce their own power.
    Why get rid of the grid? People already produce their own power.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    nuclear energy is stuck in the Cold War.
    Nope. Modern plants are more reliable and safer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    There is no development and no new production.
    Wrong on both. A new plant was just built in Tennessee and came online in 2016. Two plants are under construction right now in the United States.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    Per investment dollar you get the greatest amount of return that makes it the future.
    Random number. Argument from randU fallacy. Nuclear plants can be costly, and have risks that people don't like to accept (true, they are illiterate, but that does not change things). You don't get to dictate energy markets. You are not the king.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    Wind and solar is on the opposite end of that ratio.
    Irrelevant. If people want to buy that form of energy, they are free to do so. You don't get to dictate energy markets.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    It cannot be the future it is simply unsustainable.
    It is quite sustainable. People are buying solar and wind energy plants.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    The only thing that stands in the way of a breeder reactor, that is a reactor that depletes spent fuel rods, is an executive order from Jimmy Carter in April of 1971 that forbids using nuclear waste for any purpose. Once anybody does anything about that the gates will be open.
    An executive order can be nullified by another executive order. Not a problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    it is government dictates that are deciding.
    No, it was Jimmy Carter dictats that are deciding. He exceeded his authority. He didn't have authority to meddle with energy markets.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    The only thing stopping cars from being fully electric is the battery.
    Nope. We have electric cars. They have a range similar to gasoline cars on a single charge.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    Once we get a battery with a solid state electrolyte,
    Already have 'em. Lithium oxide batteries, lithium metal batteries, common zinc, nicad, and even some lead-acid cells use solid electrolytes. Lithium metal and lithium oxide batteries use a paper layer soaked with electrolyte.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    and it's capable of being recharged quickly
    Sorry dude. Ohm's law gets in your way. You need to charge the battery of an electric car with the same joules to move the same distance. This is just mechanics. You can't change that. You can't put that many joules into a battery in a short space of time. The wire required would be so thick you could never lift it. There are no contacts capable of handling that kind of current.

    If you increase the voltage to reduce the current requirements, you are dealing with several thousand volts. Not a user friendly connection.

    Batteries themselves are also a resistor. They only accept a charge so fast. This is known as the internal resistance of the battery. It limits how fast you can charge and discharge it. Currently, the battery with the lowest internal resistance is the lead-acid battery. There is no way to charge even this battery with enough power for an electric car. This battery is also heavy. It is lead, after all.

    Lithium batteries have a high internal resistance. Their big advantage is that they are made of light materials. This is ideal for portable electronic devices like cell phones. They are popular in electric cars too in order to save weight, reducing the energy required to move the vehicle.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    the day of a gasoline powered car will be at an end.
    Not likely. Gasoline has the highest BTU per given volume of any fuel. This makes it a good fuel for small tanks. Diesel oil and kerosene has the highest BTU per given weight. This makes it a good fuel for large aircraft, ships, and trucks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    If you generate electricity with nuclear power that is powering the car with the electricity generated from nuclear power it doesn't have to be mobile.
    It takes too long to refuel (recharge) an electric car. That cannot change, even if the car is equipped with lead-acid cells.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    We just have to have a much more competent power grid.
    Wait...didn't you just say you want to get rid of the electrical grid??

    We DO have a well designed electrical grid. A far cry from the days where the grid was susceptible to such blackouts like what hit most of the east coast of the United States due to a single flashover fault. Today's electrical grids are much more resilient, and are necessary for getting power from a power plant to the user. This does not include the SOTC, however, since they do not maintain their electrical grid properly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    the term fossil fuel comes from the concept of digging them out of a rock formation.
    Nope. A fossil is an image of an animal or plant in stone. Fossils don't burn.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    Natural gas comes out of a rock formation
    Nope. Natural gas can be found in swamps, landfills, compost piles, underground, or manufactured by man. It is not associated with any rock formation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    therefore it is a fossil fuel.
    Nope. It's a gas. There is no image of a plant or animal possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    I didn't say it was a fossil.
    If you call it a fossil fuel, you are saying it is a fossil.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    real lions use electricity generated by an onboard diesel powered generator that is more efficient if it wasn't we would still use steam locomotives we do not.
    We still use steam locomotives. I used to drive one myself when I last worked on a railroad. That machine is still in service. Nice little locomotive. It used diesel fuel to fire the boiler. I know several railroads that still use coal fired steam locomotives. We use steam in power plants still too. Nuclear power plants use steam to power the generators. So do oil and coal fired power plants. There are even steamships still plying the waters here and there, including nuclear powered ships.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    it is used in absolutely everything it is our lifeblood.
    Oil products are very useful. It's a renewable fuel too. So is natural gas.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    Coal is used in metal refining.
    It is also used as a fuel in running power plants. It is also used in industry as a fuel. Still pretty cheap. It is not only used for smelting iron and other metals, it is also used to make steel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    I am not disagreeing with your assertion that there are very sensitive devices for measuring vibrations. Take it as a given. Take it as a "fact."

    My contention involves what constitutes an "earthquake."

    I claim that a person might be able to feel the vibrations of a large vehicle driving by, perhaps even feel the vibrations of some water being pumped into the ground, but that neither of those are earthquakes. I also claim that anyone asserting that all vibrations are "earthquakes" is eliminating all reason to fear and panic over any possible "earthquake." If everything is an earthquake then nothing is an earthquake.
    So you are arguing for a cutoff value before calling an 'earthquake'. What cutoff value do you want to use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Incorrect. the Constitution vests the President with full executive powers. He can make executive orders all day, all night, all week, all year.
    Flash is well known for denying the Constitution. His attitude is that the Supreme Court is an oligarchy with total power, and that it can designate what is in the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    That is what I said. If we give a liberal expansive view of presidential power we can say he has that power; but, if we give a more limited interpretation of federal power he would not. Those executive orders also must comply with federal laws and/or the Constitution. Certainly presidents have issued many executive orders that were not necessary to faithfully execute federal laws or uphold the Constitution.

    "Executive powers" is not defined and what it includes is based on court interpretations.
    Executive powers are defined. See Article II. The supreme court does not have authority to change or interpret the Constitution. See Article III. Only the States have the authority to interpret or change the Constitution. They own it.
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