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    Default If Trump loses, he'll take this deal

    Trump has repeatedly refused to commit to leave office peacefully if he loses the election. Instead he rails about voter fraud and a rigged election. His untruths and obstinacy are by now an old story, but they remain both dangerous to our democracy and maybe to our lives if the President continues on this path.

    Many law enforcement and homeland security experts have raised the alarm about possible violence after a contested election. Nothing in the President's words or behavior suggests that he will be a calming force or will leave the White House without a fight, either in the courthouse or the streets. We all know, after four years of this, that it's a pretty good bet he will make a bad situation worse.

    I share many of these worries. But I'm not expecting the worst. Not because Trump will have an attack of conscience -- I don't think he has a conscience. And not because he will put the country ahead of his own personal interests -- that fantasy is no longer even debatable.

    I simply assume, as you should, that if he loses next month, the President will put his own interests ahead of the country's, as he always does. And that may actually guarantee a peaceful transition of power.

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    "What matters to him is the story he can tell himself, or sell to himself, in order to feel like he prevailed. That instinct is one of many that allows him second, third and fourth chances at escape and reinvention."

    And it's those very instincts that may lead a defeated Trump to just leave town.

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    He owes hundreds of millions of dollars, according to The New York Times. He will need some flexibility from his creditors and a new business venture to make that money quickly. Paid speeches will help, but won't generate a billion dollars.

    Here's where the survival instinct will kick in. What can Trump give prosecutors, creditors and potential investors to allow him to live his life freely and build the kind of media empire he so craves?

    What he can give them is -- wait for it -- a peaceful transition of power. Freedom for peace.

    To avoid violence in the streets, prosecutors of all stripes may decide it is in their -- and the country's -- interest to cut a deal. Trump may agree to go quietly to save his own skin. There is the basis of the win-win.

    And the same goes for creditors and investors. There is not a bank in the world whose shareholders would allow any renegotiation of credit terms with a man who's promoting violence on the American streets and creating international instability in the capital markets. No one is going to bankroll the Trump media network if our cities are burning and Trump is lighting the match.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/opini...art/index.html
    Sad to see him escape the 200,000 people whose death he caused by his lies. The rat-fucker deserves a long and painfilled demise when it finally comes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Sad to see him escape the 200,000 people whose death he caused by his lies. The rat-fucker deserves a long and painfilled demise when it finally comes.
    Well tRump has already lost his soul decades ago, and is probably on God's go to hell list who indeed conspired with his sold out republicans to enable the coronavirus murder of over 200,000 Americans, in particular, as a way to please foreign enemies tRump and his repukes are aligned to. Instead of being on a ballot which would be un Constitutional as a result of tRump being impeached forever and his terrible atrocities committed while in the coronavirus contaminated White House, COVID-45 tRump deserves to be in front of a firing squad based on punishment guidelines of U.S. Constitutional law for causing the coronavirus murder of over 200,000 Americans alone.

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    Trump will lose. He will claim 'rigged election'. He will try to drag it out. Trump is a Circus Clown. Expect lots of fun as Trump is removed, one way or another, from Office.
    Then ... expect New York to charge him with Tax Evasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Sad to see him escape the 200,000 people whose death he caused by his lies. The rat-fucker deserves a long and painfilled demise when it finally comes.
    prove he caused one death let alone 200,000 cum gobbler. nobody gives a shit about your opinion provide facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    prove he caused one death let alone 200,000 cum gobbler. nobody gives a shit about your opinion provide facts.
    Apparently you tRump ass kissers are allergic to looking up the facts for yourself. Also willful or intentional negligence basically amounts to premeditated murder or manslaughter against over 200k Americans.

    IS DONALD TRUMP CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CORONAVIRUS DEATHS?

    DEATHS FROM COVID-19 continued to mount this week as the U.S. surpassed 200,000 confirmed cases, more than any other country in the world. Experts increasingly point to President Donald Trump’s willful negligence as a primary cause of the pandemic’s intensity, but MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirscher takes things a step further, arguing controversially that Trump could be legally liable for coronavirus deaths after he leaves office. He makes the case to Mehdi Hasan on this week’s podcast.

    Glenn Kirschner: I actually think he will see charges brought in each jurisdiction in which people have died as a result of his gross negligence. So I have a feeling that he has got a lot of criminal legal exposure coming at him beginning in January 2021."
    https://theintercept.com/2020/04/02/...avirus-deaths/

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini104104 View Post
    Apparently you tRump ass kissers are allergic to looking up the facts for yourself. Also willful or intentional negligence basically amounts to premeditated murder or manslaughter against over 200k Americans.

    IS DONALD TRUMP CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CORONAVIRUS DEATHS?

    DEATHS FROM COVID-19 continued to mount this week as the U.S. surpassed 200,000 confirmed cases, more than any other country in the world. Experts increasingly point to President Donald Trump’s willful negligence as a primary cause of the pandemic’s intensity, but MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirscher takes things a step further, arguing controversially that Trump could be legally liable for coronavirus deaths after he leaves office. He makes the case to Mehdi Hasan on this week’s podcast.

    Glenn Kirschner: I actually think he will see charges brought in each jurisdiction in which people have died as a result of his gross negligence. So I have a feeling that he has got a lot of criminal legal exposure coming at him beginning in January 2021."
    https://theintercept.com/2020/04/02/...avirus-deaths/
    I cannot believe, in the name of everything and anything humane and civilized, why the hell he was not officially held legally culpable as soon a the video became public. WTF is wrong with our laws?



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    LOOKS LIKE IT'S "THE BIG GUY", BIDEN, THE PAID FOREIGN ASSET. WHO'LL BE NEEDING A "DEAL"....
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    Hello Cinnabar,

    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Sad to see him escape the 200,000 people whose death he caused by his lies. The rat-fucker deserves a long and painfilled demise when it finally comes.
    He may accept such a deal but I do not condone offering it.

    America needs closure. We need to see that he pays for his crimes, and is finally branded a criminal.

    This would be a give-away deal where he wins and America loses.

    The last thing we need is for him to escape prosecution, go on to be a media mouthpiece, and be forever made out a hero by the far right.

    Do we really want to be in planes landing at Trump Airport?

    Do we really want the latest greatest ship in our navy to be named the Donald J Trump?

    Do we want our children and grandchildren attending schools named Trump school?

    Do we want bridges, highways, towns and hospitals named Trump?

    Do we want to see Trump flags forever?

    Do we want history and school books to be written so that young school children are taught that he was a great president?

    Do we want Mount Rushmore to have a 5th big head added? HIS???

    NO WAY
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Cinnabar,



    He may accept such a deal but I do not condone offering it.

    America needs closure. We need to see that he pays for his crimes, and is finally branded a criminal.

    This would be a give-away deal where he wins and America loses.

    The last thing we need is for him to escape prosecution, go on to be a media mouthpiece, and be forever made out a hero by the far right.

    Do we really want to be in planes landing at Trump Airport?

    Do we really want the latest greatest ship in our navy to be named the Donald J Trump?

    Do we want our children and grandchildren attending schools named Trump school?

    Do we want bridges, highways, towns and hospitals named Trump?

    Do we want to see Trump flags forever?

    Do we want history and school books to be written so that young school children are taught that he was a great president?

    Do we want Mount Rushmore to have a 5th big head added? HIS???

    NO WAY
    The Obama administration never held even one bankster accountable for the 2008 Wall Street debacle and in fact, bailed out Wall Street and put some of these Wall Street folks in his cabinet while average Americans lost their homes.

    The Neo-Liberals have already whitewashed Bush who was never held accountable for war crimes.

    So if you think Trump will be held accountable, think again.

    The USA is supposed to be a nation of laws and not of men but the USA is a complete fraud.
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    The "deal" is a dumb idea. How do prosecutors have any jurisdiction over negotiating with creditors?

    He has a constitutional duty to leave office. Just send in WH security to escort him out. We are not going to get involved in his private loan obligations in order to avoid something that probably will not even happen. He has not agreed to leave peacefully because that would be admitting he might lose.

    At the same time, blaming him for 200,000 deaths is unrealistic. Is Obama responsible for the 12,469 deaths from H1N1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    prove he caused one death let alone 200,000 cum gobbler. nobody gives a shit about your opinion provide facts.
    Trump is literally on recorded audio saying he was "downplaying the virus".

    So he's entirely responsible for those deaths, and so are you because you repeated his lies and misinformation.
    When I die, turn me into a brick and use me to cave in the skull of a fascist


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The "deal" is a dumb idea. How do prosecutors have any jurisdiction over negotiating with creditors?

    He has a constitutional duty to leave office. Just send in WH security to escort him out. We are not going to get involved in his private loan obligations in order to avoid something that probably will not even happen. He has not agreed to leave peacefully because that would be admitting he might lose.

    At the same time, blaming him for 200,000 deaths is unrealistic. Is Obama responsible for the 12,469 deaths from H1N1?
    What happens if he refuses to go, and the WH security refuses to drag him out?


    Is Obama responsible for the 12,469 deaths from H1N1?
    Yes, Obama was responsible for that, and it scared him so much that he threw out the pandemic playbook Bush/Cheney (remember them?) left behind to create his own, that worked when Ebola came to our shores. Trump and your bOtHsIdErIsT friends threw that playbook away. WHY?

    So that is called "taking responsibility for your actions", which is something I know you personally have a lot of issues with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    prove he caused one death let alone 200,000 cum gobbler. nobody gives a shit about your opinion provide facts.
    Quit talking like a pig. America has a death rate far above other industrial countries. We have 600 per million and Korea has 3. We are 9th in a list of 150.https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/ Trump has done a terrible job and you are ignorant of the facts.

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    I am so loving the JPP marxists confidence. It is going to make November 4th that much better should Trump win. Although I think many of these JPP marxists will disappear for a while if not forever. Or claim that "Biden wasn't my guy. I wanted Bernie"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Quit talking like a pig. America has a death rate far above other industrial countries. We have 600 per million and Korea has 3. We are 9th in a list of 150.https://www.statista.com/statistics/...n-inhabitants/ Trump has done a terrible job and you are ignorant of the facts.
    You aren't my mother so go fuck yourself. The death rate in the US per million is 677 and the U.K. is 1690. You have to be a complete and utter fucking cum gobbling moron to believe your shit

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