Earl (10-21-2020), gemini104104 (10-21-2020), PostmodernProphet (10-21-2020)
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It's got beyond a joke destroying whole economies because old biddies like PoliShitTalker, Salty and Doris are scared. Of course some of the biggest reasons for people dying is obesity, being over 80 and co-morbidities.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/covid-research/
This research was compiled by a financial researcher and fund manager who wishes to remain anonymous.
There are a few main reasons to be optimistic we should end lockdowns and get back to normal. We know who this coronavirus affects. The median age of death in almost all countries is over 80 with multiple existing conditions. We are failing to protect old people and are locking up the young and imposing social distancing when they have no risk of death. We can protect the vulnerable more intelligently.
Most people have immunity due to cross reactivity and cross immunization. The human immune system is not completely helpless against this virus.
Herd immunity levels are much lower than people think and the virus appears to follow a Gompertz curve, which correctly anticipates the virus fizzling out. In most countries, Covid deaths were 40-100% higher than a bad flu year. The virus is bad but it is not the Spanish Flu and is most like the Hong Kong flu of 1968 and the Asian flu of 1957. They were bad, but we never shut the entire world down for those. Flus are deadly, the world is dangerous, and we will all eventually die. But we won’t all die from Covid.
Here is the complete collection of research and links categorized by subject. Examine the evidence for yourself.
Lockdowns are Terrible Ideas and Not Standard Practice
Those in favor of lockdown present a false dichotomy. Either we have a hard lockdown or we let the virus rip and kill everyone. That is hardly the case. Lockdowns and business closures are a sledgehammer that had no precedent in history and are not the way we have ever treated any virus or pandemic before. The costs are out of all proportion to the benefits. Many other strategies would be far better.
Here is a great case against lockdowns. How a Free Society Deals with Pandemics, According to Legendary Epidemiologist and Smallpox Eradicator Donald Henderson.
It concluded with this important paper.
There are no historical observations or scientific studies that support the confinement by quarantine of groups of possibly infected people for extended periods in order to slow the spread of influenza. A World Health Organization (WHO) Writing Group, after reviewing the literature and considering contemporary international experience, concluded that “forced isolation and quarantine are ineffective and impractical”. Despite this recommendation by experts, mandatory large-scale quarantine continues to be considered as an option by some authorities and government officials.
The interest in quarantine reflects the views and conditions prevalent more than 50 years ago, when much less was known about the epidemiology of infectious diseases and when there was far less international and domestic travel in a less densely populated world. It is difficult to identify circumstances in the past half-century when large-scale quarantine has been effectively used in the control of any disease.
The negative consequences of large-scale quarantine are so extreme (forced confinement of sick people with the well; complete restriction of movement of large populations; difficulty in getting critical supplies, medicines, and food to people inside the quarantine zone) that this mitigation measure should be eliminated from serious consideration.
No country had lockdowns in their playbook.
For example, Canada’s pandemic guidelines concluded that restrictions on movement were “impractical if not impossible.”
Also, according to the Wall Street Journal, “The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in its 2017 community mitigation guidelines for pandemic flu, didn’t recommend stay-at-home orders or closing nonessential businesses even for a flu as severe as the one a century ago.” Lockdowns were never part of the US response.
Lockdowns were never part of the WHO standard responses for pandemics. You can read here all their policies and how they rated the evidence for various measures. Most Asian countries like Taiwan, Japan and South Korea didn’t have lockdowns and had far better experiences than the European countries that did. Those who are sick are not sent home to infect family members and are separated, which is the exact opposite of European lockdowns.
Here is a very good read on the arguments against lockdowns. In most European countries, cases were already falling before the lockdowns as people were voluntarily taking preventive measures: social distancing, hand washing, wearing masks.
Many epidemiologists have been completely opposed to government plans and have in fact been right.
Only pro-lockdown scientists are amplified. Here is a good read on “the science“.
Here is Sunetra Gupta of Oxford, who opposed lockdowns are gave a great interview on UnHerd. Likewise, Martin Kuldorff, a Harvard epidemiologist who has been ignored. He’s argued in favor an age and risk-based approach.
But what do these people know about science? They’re only epidemiologists at Oxford and Harvard.
Last edited by cancel2 2022; 10-21-2020 at 02:54 AM.
Earl (10-21-2020), gemini104104 (10-21-2020), PostmodernProphet (10-21-2020)
It is not just physical health that is crushed but mental health and the health of the society as well...lockdowns were a catastrophic bad call....they have cost the government the experts and the media enormous credibility because of either error or dishonesty....and to a great degree it does not matter which.
This does not end well.
I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.
DARK AGES SUCK!
anatta (10-21-2020), cancel2 2022 (10-21-2020), Earl (10-21-2020), PostmodernProphet (10-21-2020)
Fauci sold us a bill of goodsLockdowns are Terrible Ideas and Not Standard Practice
Those in favor of lockdown present a false dichotomy. Either we have a hard lockdown or we let the virus rip and kill everyone. That is hardly the case. Lockdowns and business closures are a sledgehammer that had no precedent in history and are not the way we have ever treated any virus or pandemic before. The costs are out of all proportion to the benefits. Many other strategies would be far better.
Earl (10-21-2020), ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
Earl (10-21-2020), ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
cancel2 2022 (10-21-2020), ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
right.
what SLAYS ME. is we have a quality therapeutic in REGN-COV2 antibodies.
Correct me if I'm wrong but antibodies simply cannot do harm - and look at the miracle cure Trump got from it.
We have it manufactured and on the shelf - NOBODY talks about it -instead we do mask shaming and lockdown crap
Darth Omar (10-21-2020), ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
case in point.......Michigan governor's lockdown orders were stopped by the state SC.........she defied their decision and had her health department issue new orders.......sheriffs and police commissioners from all over the state issued statements that they would not be enforcing the orders.....
Isaiah 6:5
“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”
cancel2 2022 (10-21-2020), Darth Omar (10-21-2020), Earl (10-21-2020), ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
Earl (10-21-2020), ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
The American electorate is ill-informed, Havana.
Decades of brainwashing by college professors...now it's at the middle-school level.
Apathy and the tendency to allow others to control their lives.
A media who ill-informs our citizens and slants the news to the far left.
Ignorance plays its part too, as in all countries.
anatta (10-21-2020), cancel2 2022 (10-21-2020), ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
cancel2 2022 (10-21-2020), Darth Omar (10-21-2020), ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
Don’t know much about it but you’re thinking is right: in theory, antibodies aren’t going to cause cancer; damage the heart muscle or etc. I guess they could cause maybe an allergic reaction in some individuals.
I don’t know why they aren’t being pushed harder. Then again, I don’t understand much of what they do.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
cancel2 2022 (10-21-2020), ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
And because using the pandemic to justify martial law agrees with members of the Left who thirst for power.... remember there is no truth there is only power according to them, and the ends justify the means. Tucker is not wrong that mask wearing demands is partly obedience training. Americans have long been trained to allow government power grabs on the pretext of "SAFETY!"...exaggerating the danger is this bug was an easy fit for an already ongoing Revolution for multiple reasons.
I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.
DARK AGES SUCK!
ExpressLane (10-21-2020)
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