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    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    So comparing other religions to this is going to be kind of difficult because no other religion controls a state.
    *cough* Iran......
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    If you find my posts annoying you don't have to read them.
    That's why all the wimpish Beta male Incels on this forum have me on ignore.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    So comparing other religions to this is going to be kind of difficult because no other religion controls a state.
    China, like the former USSR, is an atheist state. Any nation which has an official religion such as England or Saudi Arabia, have religions with full or partial control of the state.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Science has no absolutes. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
    Okay very well.

    So according to your *theory...

    falsifiable theories are NOT an absolute.

    So science is Not Absolute.

    Do I have it correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Instances were rare prior to Anita Bryant and those Christian Coalition assholes. The only major things I remember about it are the Scopes trial and Blue Laws. That's when science started to be a bad thing and sent our national politics towards those Dark Ages.

    The Christian Right and radical Islamics are much more alike than they are different.
    I agree. They are the same coin, different sides.

    I grew up in a devout Xtian household, as did most middle class kids back then. Mom was a Sunday school teacher, Dad was a deacon guy. Dad was also a scientist (chemist with a masters who worked for Monsanto), as were a good lot of our neighbors, all transferred to the STL area from Ohio, Michigan, and other places when Monsanto opened its world HQ in 1961. In WWII my dad worked in a small group for the Manhattan Project. At any rate, I don't recall any conflicts with religion vs science. It was the height of the Cold War, and both (D)s and (R)s were happy to okay vast expenditures on space, weaponry, science, and so on to win over the USSR. Science then was considered almost like a god. I had to do a report on evolution when I was in 5th grade and 10 years old. I got an A on it, and no one screamed that evolution was just some made-up political/liberal bullshit.

    But then came the 60s, and protesters of the VN War saw science as the enemy. Remember the hatred aimed at Dow Chemical? People got crazy about vaccines as poison, natural foods without pesticides, and a revolution against science began. It was adopted by lower-level thinkers and carried on into the 21st Century. Both sides share the blame in our idiotic fear and hate of science.

    If you want your civilization to devolve, just let the religionists have control. Don't believe that? Ask the Arabs what happened to their supremacy in astronomy, science, and math.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Instances were rare prior to Anita Bryant and those Christian Coalition assholes. The only major things I remember about it are the Scopes trial and Blue Laws. That's when science started to be a bad thing and sent our national politics towards those Dark Ages.

    The Christian Right and radical Islamics are much more alike than they are different.
    Ya know what would be funny is if what you say were said in "sign-langage"

    Does one spell out arse portal or is there a dedicated symbol all its own or is there a catch-all sign symbol?

    New words for next years' OED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    "Then God said "Let there political forums so that the nut jobs can rant their fantasies in safety!"

    Good luck with your fantasies. Mine usually women and rubber sheets, but you are free to have any little dark fantasies you choose.
    No doubt just as those crooks on Capital Hill free dark fantasy of what's in the Federal Record can be ranted as safe fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Lucky man!! lol

    I hike w/ some ppl that prob should just go to the gym or track.... They take no picts & only care about summiting & going..

    I started w/ ppl mostly like that but have learned to smell the roses along the way, enjoy the journey & adventure....

    I saw a bear hiking a few days ago, a nice big healthy reddish brown black bear.. & saw a bobcat about two hours ago on the trail..... he paid us no mind whatsoEVER..

    You have taught Mr Owl well & are a great influence on him & prob your hiking buddies as well..
    Thanks, Bill. Old trite saying but still very true: It is not the destination, it's the journey.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    All based.....not upon objective facts that are reproducible or observed but THEORY. More circular reasoning.
    Lot of fancy words there chap, but not much in the way of clarity or understanding.

    The red shift of photons from distant galaxies is observable and measurable.

    The cosmic microwave background is observable in the radio wave electromagnetic spectrum.

    Big bang nucleosynthesis of light elements probably started out as a mathematical prediction, but it has been confirmed by spectral analysis of the cosmos.

    Those are all predictions resulting from big bang theory which have been repeatedly tested.

    I do not rank the big bang theory up there with evolution by natural selection or quantuum mechanics in terms of degree of scientific confidence. We are still clueless about dark energy. But big bang theory makes predictions which can be tested to support or refute the theory. That is well within the realm of a good, conventional, testable scientific theory

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    According to one person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by votebiden View Post
    According to one person.
    are you two people?.....
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    are you two people?.....
    Is there an idea here? I don't want to waste my time if you're going to be a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by votebiden View Post
    Is there an idea here? I don't want to waste my time if you're going to be a troll.
    well, the idea might be, is your authority greater than his?......he's a UCLA professor and you're a.......what?......think of it this way, Cypress and I have only agreed on something once in 2020......and it was that you were wrong........
    Isaiah 6:5
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I agree. They are the same coin, different sides.

    I grew up in a devout Xtian household, as did most middle class kids back then. Mom was a Sunday school teacher, Dad was a deacon guy. Dad was also a scientist (chemist with a masters who worked for Monsanto), as were a good lot of our neighbors, all transferred to the STL area from Ohio, Michigan, and other places when Monsanto opened its world HQ in 1961. In WWII my dad worked in a small group for the Manhattan Project. At any rate, I don't recall any conflicts with religion vs science. It was the height of the Cold War, and both (D)s and (R)s were happy to okay vast expenditures on space, weaponry, science, and so on to win over the USSR. Science then was considered almost like a god. I had to do a report on evolution when I was in 5th grade and 10 years old. I got an A on it, and no one screamed that evolution was just some made-up political/liberal bullshit.

    But then came the 60s, and protesters of the VN War saw science as the enemy. Remember the hatred aimed at Dow Chemical? People got crazy about vaccines as poison, natural foods without pesticides, and a revolution against science began. It was adopted by lower-level thinkers and carried on into the 21st Century. Both sides share the blame in our idiotic fear and hate of science.

    If you want your civilization to devolve, just let the religionists have control. Don't believe that? Ask the Arabs what happened to their supremacy in astronomy, science, and math.
    True, but religion is just a tool. The main reason societies devolve is because one side drowns out the other creating single-party authoritarian state be it LW or RW.

    Failure to respect different points of view is bad, but seeking to assert a single dominant view always leads to excesses and eventual implosion. After two world wars in one century the US used it's considerable influence to spread democracy to both Europe and Asian. Most wars stopped once countries realized they'd be better off talking to each other and making a shitload of money. The areas of the world where war still exists is due to a huge disparity in access to this trade network. Shinto businessmen don't give a shit about Mormon or Catholic businessmen because they know it doesn't matter as long as it doesn't adversely affect profit.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    well, the idea might be, is your authority greater than his?......he's a UCLA professor and you're a.......what?......
    I am someone who read all the research that agreed Galileo was arrested and threatened by the Church. One English professor dissents.

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