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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    ^^ Anachronistic thinking. Your anachronisms are not applicable to the middle iron age of two millennia ago.

    No religions of antiquity were based on the premise of a peasant who was tortured, humiliated, and executed as a common criminal.

    Religions of antiquity were based on pagan or monotheistic Gods of great power and prestige. The God of the Hebrew Bible, Ahuramazda, Mars, Zeus, Shiva, et al.

    Even the early Christians of late antiquity did not use the symbol of the cross as an icon of their religion. Use of the cross as a symbol of Christianity came many hundreds of years later. Early Christians feared the cross was kind of a symbol of humiliation and weakness.
    what is your point? Christianity is not based on sacrifice, suffering and dying for our sins, and rising from the dea to eternal life?

    Christianity came directly from Judaism - not these other religions
    . ( unless you wanna talk about "Jesus was a Buddhist monk")

    It's the promise of a savior revealed.. I'm not an expert on Judaism, but atonement thru sacrifice is the common theme. The idea of an afterlife is only briefly mentioned in the Torah -but it's there
    https://www.jewishideas.org/article/...jewish-thought

    Maybe the ressurection part cam from Zoroastrian etc... dont know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    ^^ Anachronistic thinking. Your anachronisms are not applicable to the middle iron age of two millennia ago.

    No religions of antiquity were based on the premise of a peasant who was tortured, humiliated, and executed as a common criminal.

    Religions of antiquity were based on pagan or monotheistic Gods of great power and prestige. The God of the Hebrew Bible, Ahuramazda, Mars, Zeus, Shiva, et al.

    Even the early Christians of late antiquity did not use the symbol of the cross as an icon of their religion. Use of the cross as a symbol of Christianity came many hundreds of years later. Early Christians feared the cross was kind of a symbol of humiliation and weakness.
    what is your point?
    Christianity is not based on sacrifice, suffering and dying for our sins, and rising from the idea to eternal life?
    It's the basis

    Christianity came directly from Judaism - not these other religions
    ( unless you wanna talk about "Jesus was a Buddhist monk")

    It's the promise of a savior revealed.. I'm not an expert on Judaism, but atonement thru sacrifice is the common theme. The idea of an afterlife is only briefly mentioned in the Torah -but it's there
    https://www.jewishideas.org/article/...jewish-thought

    Maybe the ressurection part cam from Zoroastrian etc... dont know

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    Quote Originally Posted by iolo eto View Post
    I think that it's important to distinguish between the existence of a pretty-well attested historical person and all the 'God' stuff that goers with what's said about him. There's plenty of mythological stuff even in the New Testament (the Wise Men from the East, the Flight into Egypt and such) but for someone with a critical training the gospels sound nothing like myth, and who on earth in any sort of power can we imagine to have benefited from such stuff?
    Well, I don't know what you mean by "critically trained," but among scholars, the Christ myth idea is gaining traction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    I'm still waiting on the actual picture of my great, great, . . . . great, great grandfather those of you touting evolution claim I evolved from 20,000 generations ago. Unless and until you can provide the missing picture for the family photo album, disbelief in what you claim is a rational position.

    As far as the proof you want, rest assured you'll get it. What you don't get to do is dictate when.
    Will there be 72 Virgins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    Ask some fucking raghead Muslim.
    Angels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I saw one, he was standing @ the airport in Baltimore waiting for a plane to Delaware for a boat ride w/ General Washington..

    You ask stupid questions then tell yourself how smart you are because someone can't answer it........

    It serves to promote your inferiority, not superiority....

    IMHO your best course of action would be keep your fuckin yap shut & give up on trying to empress anyone here........
    It's called mocking you idiots that ask for proof you know can't be provided. The difference is when you don't get what you want, you use it to deny God's existence and when you can't provide what is requested, you still expect belief of what you support.

    Your opinion is less valuable than an unqualified black getting hired under affirmative action.

    IMHO, before you tell someone what to do, learn to use the correct term, boy. Or were you trying to "empress" me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Sorry, you've already admitted you can't provide the type proof I need.

    What you provided was one of Obama's illegitimate children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Angels?
    Where you're going will be the fallen angels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    He's the kind of guy who thinks the reason women don't sleep with him is because they are intimidated by his confidence.
    They're embarrassed by his lack of ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    Where you're going will be the fallen angels.
    Where will the Porn Stars go, I think I prefer Eternity with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Translation: I don't have a fucking clue. I'm just making this shit up as I go.

    No worries.


    Whether your agree or not, your sessions with the prison psychiatrist are mandatory just like they were for your Mommy-Sister.



    Then put me on ignore like the other nutjobs do.
    It's OK, boy. Realize that I do for her what you never could. Also, realize there isn't a damn thing you can do to stop me from fucking her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Where will the Porn Stars go, I think I prefer Eternity with them.
    Same place as you're already going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arks&sparka View Post
    I am starting to get that most conversations with dutch uncle end up this way.
    He mentions a lot about prison that only someone having been there would know. He's projecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    Same place as you're already going.
    Great. Thanks for your clairvoyance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    what is your point?
    Christianity is not based on sacrifice, suffering and dying for our sins, and rising from the idea to eternal life?
    It's the basis

    Christianity came directly from Judaism - not these other religions
    ( unless you wanna talk about "Jesus was a Buddhist monk")

    It's the promise of a savior revealed.. I'm not an expert on Judaism, but atonement thru sacrifice is the common theme. The idea of an afterlife is only briefly mentioned in the Torah -but it's there
    https://www.jewishideas.org/article/...jewish-thought

    Maybe the ressurection part cam from Zoroastrian etc... dont know
    Many ancient cultures taught a tradition of sacrifice and ethics.

    No one had to invent a story out of whole clothe about a peasant being tortured, humiliated, and executed as a common criminal, with the goal of basing a religion on that story. That would have been totally out of historical context for the times.

    It only seems natural to you because you are looking back with 2000 years of hindsight, and you are thinking anachronistically

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