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    Default Where do Christians come up with their satan nonsense

    They sure didn't get it from Judaism

    Satan in Judaism is not a physical being and was never one who ruling the underworld, rather, in the Torah, the word Satan indicates “accuser,” “hinderer” or “tempter.” Satan is therefore more an illusory obstacle in one’s way - such as temptation and evil doings - keeping one from completing the responsibilities of tikkun olam (fixing the world). Satan is the evil inclination to veer off the path of righteousness and faithfulness in God.

    Satan remains inferior to God and is incapable of taking action on mortals without God’s permission.

    Satan appears in the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh, was discussed by the rabbis of the Talmud and is explored in detail in Jewish mysticism, or Kabbalah. In Hebrew, the term Satan is translated as “opponent” or “adversary,” and he is often understood to represent the sinful impulse (in Hebrew, yetzer hara) or, more generally, the forces that prevents human beings from submitting to divine will. He is also sometimes regarded as a heavenly prosecutor or accuser, a view given expression in the Book of Job, where Satan encourages God to test his servant.

    In Judaism, Satan is just another one of the many spiritual messengers (angels) that God sends to accomplish His purpose. Satan has no power independent of God; otherwise this would imply a lack of God's all-inclusive control and power.

    Since God is all, nothing exists outside of God , no man gods, devils etc


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    Where do Christians come up with their satan nonsense
    From the Holy Bible. Any more questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    From the Holy Bible. Any more questions?
    did you read it in Hebrew? if so you would know the Christians satan is a load of horse shit
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    did you read it in Hebrew?
    Did you?

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    if so you would know the Christians satan is a load of horse shit
    Believe what you will...

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    They sure didn't get it from Judaism

    Satan in Judaism is not a physical being and was never one who ruling the underworld, rather, in the Torah, the word Satan indicates “accuser,” “hinderer” or “tempter.” Satan is therefore more an illusory obstacle in one’s way - such as temptation and evil doings - keeping one from completing the responsibilities of tikkun olam (fixing the world). Satan is the evil inclination to veer off the path of righteousness and faithfulness in God.

    Satan remains inferior to God and is incapable of taking action on mortals without God’s permission.

    Satan appears in the Hebrew Bible/Tanakh, was discussed by the rabbis of the Talmud and is explored in detail in Jewish mysticism, or Kabbalah. In Hebrew, the term Satan is translated as “opponent” or “adversary,” and he is often understood to represent the sinful impulse (in Hebrew, yetzer hara) or, more generally, the forces that prevents human beings from submitting to divine will. He is also sometimes regarded as a heavenly prosecutor or accuser, a view given expression in the Book of Job, where Satan encourages God to test his servant.

    In Judaism, Satan is just another one of the many spiritual messengers (angels) that God sends to accomplish His purpose. Satan has no power independent of God; otherwise this would imply a lack of God's all-inclusive control and power.

    Since God is all, nothing exists outside of God , no man gods, devils etc
    Nothing prevents Satan from being an actual being in Judaism. Yes. Satan can do nothing without the permission from God, who is all powerful. Satan has a purpose on Earth, to tempt us and to try us. We are free to choose. There is no choice without Satan. That would result in compulsion. There would be no reason for us to leave God's presence to come here and see if we will choose to follow God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    did you read it in Hebrew? if so you would know the Christians satan is a load of horse shit
    The language makes no difference. True, the words translate, and idioms do not, but nothing in Hebrew or in the Torah requires Satan to not be a person. The Torah itself is the earliest use of the word 'satan', meant to be 'the adversary' in the context it is used in. That could easily describe a personage.
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