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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    So far I don't really mind this candidate and even Kavanaugh doesn't seem to be quite as much of a nightmare. However, this is just stupid and wrong. While I agree with the idea that you shouldn't vote in an election year the current actions speak worlds. Pissing away ethics now makes denying the first African American president his right and duty as president look that much worse. People could say it was racially motivated just like a lot of the BS with their handling of Obama and you don't have anyway to counter anymore. You can't say they are wrong because your side pissed away their defense with this ethics nightmare. Now into the future we won't have much ethics to go by on this issue. All's fair in love and war and it looks like politics might follow suit. Do you really want to kneecap yourselves with the possible political prospects on the horizon?
    The "false premise": CHECKS and BALANCES. BHO was denied "his duty".......the PEOPLE elected the senate the same as they did the POTUS, its the Senate that decides (representatively) who gets appointed not the POTUS. BHO exercised his right to nominate the SENATE exercised its right to CHECK the hell out of BHO......the peoples choice in the senate exercised their right to confirm or deny. What? THE PEOPLE did not elect a conservative controlled senate? There is truth and there is SPIN. You just attempted to spin the 2016 SCOTUS vacancy as being skewed and un-precedented while hinting that it was somehow unethical. Reality: THE PEOPLE spoke and part of the reason that the people elected a conservative majority in the senate was "exactly" for the purpose of confirming or denying SCOTUS picks. The People spoke in 2016 and again in 2018 when they elected conservative majorities to the Senate. The People were never left out of the loop. Truth: Reverse the situation. What where the democrats saying about filling a SCOTUS seat in an election year? This seat must not go empty.....the nation needs 9 justices and its our duty to see that its filled. Its all nothing but political theatre....with the rule being as BHO was once quoted, "ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES...."

    The same applies to this SCOTUS vacancy. The left screams......THE PEOPLE should have a voice and the next POTUS should get to pick. That's BS.....4 years is 4 years, THE PEOPLE spoke loud and clear in 2016/2018 and that term is not up.....regardless of a supposed dying wish (which I think was total BULLSHIT to begin with considering RBG's stance in relation to this exact situation while she was still living which was the direct opposite of the snowjob being spun by the left and the media about a dying wish with their documented record of lying their asses off and attempting to document something through anonymous sources they make up out of thin air...."

    Another False premise making the rounds in the left wing media: Honest Abe refused to nominate close to an election. Indeed Abe did not nominate a SCOTUS choice right before the election....not because, "Its not the right thing to do this close to an election" as falsely quoted by the left......Abe did not get to fill the seat because the US SENATE was not in secession until DEC. of that year. As soon as he could he did make a nomination to fill the seat. Leftists always attempt to revise history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    The current furore is caused by Trump's belief that it should.
    You are taking political talk too seriously. Trump is trying to assure his supporters he is appointing Justices who will carry out his agenda. But we all know that is just talk and there is no way he insure his appointees will vote any certain way. Often the issues in a case are very narrow and do not involve major changes.

    We can't claim Trump is a liar and incompetent and at the same time say he is being truthful about appointing Justices who will vote a certain way and successfully carry out that promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    You are taking political talk too seriously. Trump is trying to assure his supporters he is appointing Justices who will carry out his agenda. But we all know that is just talk and there is no way he insure his appointees will vote any certain way. Often the issues in a case are very narrow and do not involve major changes.

    We can't claim Trump is a liar and incompetent and at the same time say he is being truthful about appointing Justices who will vote a certain way and successfully carry out that promise.

    Barrett called herself a follower of Scalia. No mystery as to how she will vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Barrett was really evasive today. I get that she doesn't want to comment on matters that might come up in SCOTUS but she wouldn't even give an opinion on Griswold, a decision from fifty years ago. Does she really think the government has the right to restrict contraception? She also wouldn't answer about the peaceful transfer of power, which has been a thing since 1789. I lost some respect for her today.
    It's the Ginsburg rule, you should really look into it...

    She won't talk about anything that may come before the court in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    So far I don't really mind this candidate and even Kavanaugh doesn't seem to be quite as much of a nightmare. However, this is just stupid and wrong. While I agree with the idea that you shouldn't vote in an election year the current actions speak worlds. Pissing away ethics now makes denying the first African American president his right and duty as president look that much worse. People could say it was racially motivated just like a lot of the BS with their handling of Obama and you don't have anyway to counter anymore. You can't say they are wrong because your side pissed away their defense with this ethics nightmare. Now into the future we won't have much ethics to go by on this issue. All's fair in love and war and it looks like politics might follow suit. Do you really want to kneecap yourselves with the possible political prospects on the horizon?
    Let's be HONEST ... and Note THE FACTS

    The GOP Blocked and Stole a Supreme Court seat, they wouldn't afford the
    courtesy of a hearing.

    The GOP confirmed 218 Trump judges after blocking 110 Obama nominees.

    Now The GOP is rushing to confirm Amy Coney Barrett 20 days before Nov 3 when over 14 million people have already voted.

    That's definition of court-packing ...

    So I don't want to hear a Mother Fucking thing when The Democrats Appoint 5 More Judges, just Shut The Fuck Up
    ONE-N-DONE, YOU GOT PLAYED; Time To Play-On
    Remember ... ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES ... So STFU Bitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post

    Tell Us more about your personal experience and taste ...
    ONE-N-DONE, YOU GOT PLAYED; Time To Play-On
    Remember ... ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES ... So STFU Bitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    It's the Ginsburg rule, you should really look into it...

    She won't talk about anything that may come before the court in the future.
    I already acknowledged that. But Griswold v. CT was argued over 50 years ago and it was about government interference with contraception. On what grounds could that possibly be re-argued today? Also the peaceful transfer of power is constitutional and as an originalist she should know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by votebiden View Post
    Complete waste of time. Lifetime job and it's reduced to idiots like Sen. Sasse talking about professional sports.
    Or idiots like Cruz ranting about Democrats for 20 minutes and then asking Barrett about piano lessons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    I already acknowledged that. But Griswold v. CT was argued over 50 years ago and it was about government interference with contraception. On what grounds could that possibly be re-argued today? Also the peaceful transfer ow power is constitutional and as an originalist she should know that.
    Do you really believe that in the current atmosphere it is impossible for this court to hear something about contraception in the future? My guess is you know it is possible but you really want to dislike something about this extremely qualified and well respected Judge, so you come up with this...

    It's also interesting that you cannot see them hearing anything about elections in the near future...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    So far I don't really mind this candidate and even Kavanaugh doesn't seem to be quite as much of a nightmare. However, this is just stupid and wrong. While I agree with the idea that you shouldn't vote in an election year the current actions speak worlds. Pissing away ethics now makes denying the first African American president his right and duty as president look that much worse. People could say it was racially motivated just like a lot of the BS with their handling of Obama and you don't have anyway to counter anymore. You can't say they are wrong because your side pissed away their defense with this ethics nightmare. Now into the future we won't have much ethics to go by on this issue. All's fair in love and war and it looks like politics might follow suit. Do you really want to kneecap yourselves with the possible political prospects on the horizon?
    Ethics have been going downhill in Washington DC ever since those Arkansas Hillbillies rolled into town. Trump is a result of that loooong slide into the Swamp.

    Now, as we see happening, all conventions, mutual agreements and other non-required niceties are gone. Now it's black-letter rules; either it's allowed or it isn't. Ethics don't matter. Thanks Hillary!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I would call it an immoral act; and unethical, regarding his oath as a doctor to ‘first do no harm’.

    Court packing isn’t unconstitutional; however, it would do harm to our system of government in the sense it reduces the highest court in the land to a legislative body. The originalists would be out numbered by the make-it-up-as-you-go jurists.

    The left is well aware of that—which is exactly why they want it. Originalists are a pain in the ass to the left. Always sticking to the constitution instead of empathizing.
    All leftists don't want court packing. Stop making things up or quoting trump. It's RW desperation fear-mongering.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Crocodile, If Lindsey Graham and many Republican Senators had been under oath in their statements about the Merrick Garland nomination, and also during the Barrett nomination, they would all be guilty of perjury.
    Moron. I don't believe there is anything you know. You still haven't gotten anything right, which we have established as the reason you absolutely need to control how others are to respond to your drivel. You have grown tired of being pummelled by all the mockery and derision.

    How do you pretend to construct "perjury" from a different nomination? I bet your safe space is particularly small, cold and dark.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Or idiots like Cruz ranting about Democrats for 20 minutes and then asking Barrett about piano lessons.
    A mockery of a travesty of a parody!

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