PoliTalker (10-31-2020)
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
These guys are disconcerting. There appears to be an open hostility and a sense of entitlement among the Trumpers. They are now akin to radical islamic terrorists in their zealotry. I'm concerned about how widespread this violence is going to be. I know most won't act, but sadly, there is a small minority that may act, and innocent people are going to be the collateral damage.
Iolo/Penderyn (10-30-2020), PoliTalker (10-31-2020)
Exactly. This is now all over. Even here in Florida, after a major outbreak in the summer, our numbers are going up again. This one is going to be very bad. I don't see at this point how you stop it from happening. We may now already have enough infections to put a serious strain on the healthcare system, and it seems likely we're going to reach 100K cases a day in the next day or two. Happy f'ing holiday folks.
Wisconsin is having a very bad effect on us up here to their north. At Memorial Day our total case # was ~100, with 16 deceased. Yesterday? 5,674 cases and 116 deaths. Our ICUs are filling up. They used to airlift critical patients to Green Bay or Milwaukee for a higher level of care. Can't do that now.
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
Doc Dutch (10-30-2020), PoliTalker (10-31-2020)
Doc Dutch (10-30-2020), PoliTalker (10-31-2020)
Unfortunately, a serviceable "weapon of mass destruction" has been proven to be fairly easy to obtain and deploy by any freakshow with the intent,
be it a cache of automatic weapons in a vegas hotel, or a fertilzer bomb, or poison gas from beans on a subway....
So it takes no coalition to turn a free and fair election into panic, just one or a few like minded sociopaths, no matter the stripe.
LWL hyperbolic bullshit. An AK-47 isn't a WMD except in the minds of gun-banning LW authoritarians. Ricin is a powder, not a gas.
There are nutjobs on both sides and, IMHO, you're one of them. No better than the TD twins or Legion. Fortunately, all of you are a very small minority. Sanity will prevail.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
Doc Dutch (10-30-2020), PoliTalker (10-31-2020)
Agreed and such people, regardless of political polarity, should never be trusted. Maybe they're lying, maybe they're just mentally ill. Either way, they are untrustworthy.
Let's be honest, most of us are here for entertainment. Engaging those people can be entertaining. Taking them seriously crosses the line into sharing their insanity or dishonesty.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
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Hello Concart,
The populace gets opposite information from 2 completely different streams.
There is the traditional media which is trusted, reliable, credible, and has a track record of establishing protocols and vetting stories to maintain reputation.
And then there is the right wing Alex Jones style tabloid disinformation network led by President Trump, the biggest mouthpiece of propaganda and fake news around.
We have freedom of the press in the USA, and this is what it has come down to.
One presents the most professionally verified facts they can. The other just makes stuff up and runs with it as long as it is attention-getting and sells advertising.
Note that all the major non-profit news sources align with the professionally verified facts side. They are not trying to get attention to sell advertising. Their mission is not to generate profits; it is to inform.
PBS, BBC, NHK, DW. They all run nonprofit mainstream news the right wingers would call 'liberal,' but in actuality it is simply the most balanced and verified news they can present.
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Concart (10-31-2020)
Hello Concart,
We would be way better off if we were not so polarized. It is OK to believe different things, but the whole deal where people go after the character of those with whom they disagree is the big problem. Where beliefs are dependent on believing that the other side is comprised of horrible negative people who only want to destroy then it causes good people to do bad things out of animosity. It also causes people to reject reasoned arguments simply out of spite.
I am firmly convinced that much of what the right believes is dependent on hating the left. Once there is this emotional wall put up between the sides, then people won't listen to reason or even science simply because the left believes it. The right disbelieves facts that come from the left simply out of spite. Then they go and look for alternate explanations of circumstances, find it, and seize upon that.
I also think the left hates the right simply because the right is so nasty and so adamantly opposed to what the left considers extremely reasoned arguments.
I place much of the blame on misinformation peddlers, and the second most amount of blame has to go to the right wing for severe dehumanization of the left as a part of supporting their alternate beliefs. The remaining blame goes to the left for lack of maturity and reacting emotionally to the right, and then dehumanizing the right.
The pandemic has exposed the weakness of a divided America.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
Concart (10-31-2020)
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