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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    You know Marx married into a royal family, right?
    You are mistaken. Jenny von Westphalen's family was a low level noble, but in no way royal. The "von" is a hint they were noble, but not royal. She had distant relatives that were higher English and Scottish nobles, but no known royal relatives. Her family were always beneath sovereign families, and thus were nobles not royals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    You are mistaken. Jenny von Westphalen's family was a low level noble, but in no way royal. The "von" is a hint they were noble, but not royal. She had distant relatives that were higher English and Scottish nobles, but no known royal relatives. Her family were always beneath sovereign families, and thus were nobles not royals.

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    von Westphalen? I don't know whose ass you pulled that out of but...no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    The Russians did not pay Marx to do that. They were Imperial until 1918. Try again.
    The Russian Czars' government paid Marx to try to destabilize the UK. Communists were often used by monarchists to try to destabilize each other. Lenin was transported to Russia by the Germans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The Russian Czars' government paid Marx to try to destabilize the UK. Communists were often used by monarchists to try to destabilize each other. Lenin was transported to Russia by the Germans.
    No, they didn't, asswipe. The Russians had no interest in that. Guess who did? It wasn't Russia.

    Did you get your fucking history entirely from movies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    von Westphalen? I don't know whose ass you pulled that out of but...no.
    Jenny von Westphalen is the name that Karl Marx's wife was born with. "Von" is basically the German version of "of", so she was Jenny of Westphalen, a noble name. Nobles claim to be of a place, where commoners have normal last names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Jenny von Westphalen is the name that Karl Marx's wife was born with. "Von" is basically the German version of "of", so she was Jenny of Westphalen, a noble name. Nobles claim to be of a place, where commoners have normal last names.
    Is this the "new" history?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    No, they didn't, asswipe. The Russians had no interest in that. Guess who did? It wasn't Russia.
    The UK and France were pulling Europe towards freedom, while the Russians were pulling towards absolute monarchy. There was a long standing rivalry there. Meanwhile, Germany was not even a fully formed country, so no one took it seriously. Russia was eager to quietly support anyone who would destabilize the more democratic western powers.

    And Marx gave Russia nothing to fear. He believed only capitalism as it existed in the west could produce communism. The traditional feudalism of Russia would first have to become a modern capitalist economy, and then could become communist. Marx estimated it would take "two hundred years" for that to happen.

    Communism has always had to confront the problem that they were not born from capitalist systems. Russia was very backwards with almost no proletarians(industrial workers). China was even worse. The solution Stalin had was to try to force the peasants to become proletarians after the revolution. Millions died as he forced them into the cities. Mao's solution was even more basic, where he tried to force the people to become new peasants, and then later proletarians. Pol Pot tried to start over from "year one", and force people even further back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    Is this the "new" history?
    Jenny von Westphalen Marx has always been taught to be the wife of Karl Marx. Some history can be debated, but who married who is pretty solid. She was of a minor noble family, but distantly related to some major noble families in Scotland and England. Again legitimate family relations are pretty solid history unlikely to change much.

    You started out by claiming that Marx married into a royal family, and now do not even know the name of his wife? It sounds like you have just heard a few random things about Marx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Extremism causes more extremism. I'm not surprised that the rise of Fascism is driving people to Marxism.
    I'm not surprised that the Fascists and Marxists are aligned and working together. It's only once they take power that they turn on each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Jenny von Westphalen Marx has always been taught to be the wife of Karl Marx. Some history can be debated, but who married who is pretty solid. She was of a minor noble family, but distantly related to some major noble families in Scotland and England. Again legitimate family relations are pretty solid history unlikely to change much.

    You started out by claiming that Marx married into a royal family, and now do not even know the name of his wife? It sounds like you have just heard a few random things about Marx.
    Yep, the new history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I'm not surprised that the Fascists and Marxists are aligned and working together. It's only once they take power that they turn on each other.
    The useful idiots chanting "Black Lives Matter" on the streets will be the first to get told by their betters that their participation is no longer necessary.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Deutschland built itself up three times with pragmatic taking from socialism. It started with Bismarck, and his pragmatic use of a socialist welfare state that turned Germany from a backwater to a superpower. Germany was destroyed by WWI caused by Bismarck's non-socialist nationalism. But it began rebuilding again under the mild socialism of the Weimar Republic. The socialists were eliminated by the Nazis, while the Centrists (the preceding party to the conservative Christian Democrats) joined the Nazis. After the Nazis destroyed Germany again, the pragmatic Christian Democrats partnered with the socialist Social Democrats to rebuild Western Germany into an economic powerhouse. Corporate governances are required to have union representation, and workers boards proliferate throughout Germany.
    The socialists eliminated the socialists. And people accuse market liberalism of being dog-eat-dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    Yep, the new history.
    In your version of history, who married Karl Marx?

    Just admit you are wrong. I actually know quite a bit about Russian, German, British, and communist history. I am weak on Jewish history, which is odd given my ancestry. Next time try to catch me on Jewish history, you got a good shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    In your version of history, who married Karl Marx?

    Just admit you are wrong. I actually know quite a bit about Russian, German, British, and communist history. I am weak on Jewish history, which is odd given my ancestry. Next time try to catch me on Jewish history, you got a good shot.
    I have read much of what you've posted. You don't know shit.
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