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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    When we were moving before COVID, I made note of a non-denominational church down where we were moving. They break away from tradition and sound like they crawled into my mind and fixed the one thing I and many younger generations don't go for. They play Christian hard rock rather than have the usual organ sing-alongs.
    Organ has to be one of the worst instruments ever made. Organ is never used in churches I attend. I think I might have heard it used when I was dragged to a Methodist service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Social democrats believed that capitalism could be reformed
    Social Democrats are completely inept when it comes to economics. Completely. They should be promptly ignored whenever they begin to offer an opinion on the matter.

    ... but let's humor you for the moment though. Give me a tangible example of how you would reform "capitalism" such that it remains economically sound, works for everyone and isn't simply a petty punishment levied on the successful by an oppressive tyrannical government. Show me how it isn't just a euphamism for "redistribution of wealth" that punishes the succesful for the crime of being successful and clearly does not work for all members of society.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The ethical or moral basis for the rise of social democracy comes from Judeo-Christian theology concerning charity and the welfare of fellow humans.
    Absurd. Charity is inherently a voluntary action, and is not present in the oppression of a tyrannical government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    In this view, the suffering of humans, whatever its cause, requires us to try to alleviate that suffering.
    Nope. In your view, the happiness of humans, whatever its cause, must be crushed. In your view, the acquisition of wealth is justification enough for its confiscation.

    Your view sucks. Social Democrats are a cancer to society.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
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    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    My question would be do you discern a difference between a Pastor talking politics during their Sunday sermon vs. speaking politics on their social media feed when it comes to removing special status?
    I can't answer that without knowing what he uses his social media feed for. Is it to network with his parishioners, share similar political views, and find new members? Is it just his personal opinions that he keeps out of the pulpit? Is he using his position as a recognized (tax-exempt) religious leader to promote political candidates and issues on social media?

    If it's just his personal page for family/friends I'd say that's fine, just his views. But if he's using his status as a pastor for political purposes, then tax him good.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    Judaism is very strong on Tikkun Olam which has come to connote social action and the pursuit of social justice. The phrase has origins in classical rabbinic literature and in Lurianic kabbalah, a major strand of Jewish mysticism originating with the work of the 16th-century kabbalist Isaac Luria.

    The term “mipnei tikkun ha-olam” (perhaps best translated in this context as “in the interest of public policy”) is used in the Mishnah (the body of classical rabbinic teachings codified circa 200 C.E.). There, it refers to social policy legislation providing extra protection to those potentially at a disadvantage
    Thank you. Many of the Jews I've known and know follow this mindset. I had no idea that it had a name and set of precepts.

    I've never known an American conservative (politically) Jew. What is your explanation for why those guys believe as they do? Does it have any basis in your teachings?
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Thank you. Many of the Jews I've known and know follow this mindset. I had no idea that it had a name and set of precepts.

    I've never known an American conservative (politically) Jew. What is your explanation for why those guys believe as they do? Does it have any basis in your teachings?
    no basis ignorance and self hating

    they are A Shanda fur die Goyim

    Trump’s Jews Are A Shonda For Di Goyim

    https://forward.com/opinion/398811/t...-for-di-goyim/
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    no basis ignorance and self hating
    Unfortunately that is how I've had to come to view most modern American conservatives. They are greedy, selfish, lacking in empathy, not generally bright, incapable of nuanced thinking, unable to look ahead into a future that includes anyone other than their kind. Most of all they are bigoted, terrified, mean little children.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Unfortunately that is how I've had to come to view most modern American conservatives. They are greedy, selfish, lacking in empathy, not generally bright, incapable of nuanced thinking, unable to look ahead into a future that includes anyone other than their kind. Most of all they are bigoted, terrified, mean little children.
    Trump’s Jews Are A Shonda For Di Goyim

    https://forward.com/opinion/398811/t...-for-di-goyim/
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    Social Democrats are completely inept when it comes to economics. Completely. They should be promptly ignored whenever they begin to offer an opinion on the matter.

    ... but let's humor you for the moment though. Give me a tangible example of how you would reform "capitalism" such that it remains economically sound, works for everyone and isn't simply a petty punishment levied on the successful by an oppressive tyrannical government. Show me how it isn't just a euphamism for "redistribution of wealth" that punishes the succesful for the crime of being successful and clearly does not work for all members of society.
    Germany, Sweden, Norway, France, Denmark, et al. are unequivocally among the most successful socioeconomic systems in human history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Germany, Sweden, Norway, France, Denmark, et al. are unequivocally among the most successful socioeconomic systems in human history.
    The United States is unequivocally the top economic power on the planet.

    You have not listed one single tangible way you would "modify capitalism" and result in an economic success that works for all members of society. Very telling. You know that you are spewing bullshit.
    Global Warming violates the 1st LoT by claiming a magical creation of thermal energy out of nothing, in the form of a temperature increase, which is somehow caused by a magical substance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlCoward View Post
    Unfortunately that is how I've had to come to view most modern American conservatives.
    With your eyes closed from your safe space. You are a total coward and loser; maligning others i all you can do to make yourself feel better .

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlCoward View Post
    They are greedy, selfish, lacking in empathy, not generally bright, incapable of nuanced thinking, unable to look ahead into a future that includes anyone other than their kind.
    Projecting. I could write a book on you. Surely you realize that you are as stupid as a tree stump. Everything you write about others is really your cry for help.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlCoward View Post
    Most of all they are bigoted, terrified, mean little children.
    So you were a bigoted, mean little child just to get attention. Did your parents not love you?

    You probably can't quite forgive yourself for your betrayal to Jesus and to your faith just because you were too stupid and gullible to realize that Global Warming is a religion. You totally fell for the line "It's thettled thienth" and stepped all over Jesus as ordered.

    Loser.

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    Greenhouse Effect violates Stefan-Boltzmann and black body science by claiming that an increase in earth's temperature is somehow caused by a decrease in earth's radiance.
    Greenhouse Effect violates the 2nd LoT by claiming that the cooler atmosphere somehow heats the warmer earth's surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Unfortunately that is how I've had to come to view most modern American conservatives. They are greedy, selfish, lacking in empathy, not generally bright, incapable of nuanced thinking, unable to look ahead into a future that includes anyone other than their kind. Most of all they are bigoted, terrified, mean little children.
    Speaking of bigots...
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    Here it is again...Democratic Socialism.

    None of you assholes talking about Democratic Socialism know what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Speaking of bigots...
    I tried not to bring you into it, but here you are. Have you ever done any self-reflection about your hate and bigotry?
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBDaMann View Post
    The United States is unequivocally the top economic power on the planet.

    You have not listed one single tangible way you would "modify capitalism" and result in an economic success that works for all members of society. Very telling. You know that you are spewing bullshit.
    Of course you have to copy my lexicon and style.

    The USA has the most money and most billionaires.

    In all global statistical measures of happiness and quality of life, USA ranks well below many of the northern European welfare states

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