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The U. S. is #5 in productivity ahead of many European with universal health care systems.
https://time.com/4621185/worker-prod...more%20rows%20
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Or if we brought back insane asylums...
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Capitalism does not fail us and actually capitalism would reduce healthcare costs.
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Hello Flash,
Yeah, way to spin the data toward your point.
You neglected to mention that the nations which are MORE productive than the USA all have universal health care as well!
The article makes no correlation between productivity and healthcare. Any such conclusion was all yours.
And what does 'productivity' measure anyway?
It is the number of dollars generated per the number of hours worked.
That means a nation which has more money, more ability to afford intricate automation, meaning fewer workers and fewer hours worked, equates to higher production.
Basically, the nation which has eliminated the most jobs has the highest production.
When traveling in the cotton country, one will see what appears to be lots of cotton left in the field after harvest. Stalks are bent over, most of it has been cleared out, but still a lot remains on the remaining broken stalks. Why? And the corners of the field have not even been touched. Why? It is because cotton is not picked by hand any more and that's what the machine leaves. It wouldn't be worth it to them to pay people to pick the remaining cotton. Automation has ended all of those jobs, and driven the price of cotton so low that it's just not worth it to even try to get what the machine leaves. Just plow it under and grow a new crop next season.
Things like that raise the productivity of a nation.
And that has nothing to do with whether or not today's workers have healthcare.
We could easily have healthcare for everybody at a lower cost than we pay now if we cut out all the exorbitant pay and profits from the process. Big insurance and big pharma have become so powerful they are a formidable force in the challenge to reduce the cost of health care. They have a lot of people getting really rich off of leaving things the way they are. Or, better yet for them, toss out Obamacare and the preexisting conditions. That's what the new SCOTUS will likely do, but if America votes Democrats in power, they also have to power to pass a new law which doesn't violate the Constitution. And the last time I checked, I didn't see anything in the Constitution that says you can't have universal healthcare.
The problem is that Big insurance and big pharma will enlist the Republicans, whom the capitalists have wrapped right around their little finger, and Dems would have to fight both, all teamed up against them. Not to mention the several older Democrats who the capitalists also have wrapped around their little finger.
The capitalists hold formidable power. Their interests are to extract as much money as possible from society while giving society as little back as possible in return. They've got Republicans convinced that's a good thing. And they've got some Democrats on a leash, too. The American worker and the American family have all of that aligned against them.
America's problem is we just have way too many people far too addicted to a certain level of profits and easy income, and they don't care about anybody else. Just make the right investments and you'll do well. Narry a second thought about what that money is doing to society, whether it be a good thing or not.
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My only point was to question your claim that said we would be more productive if we had universal health care. There are only 4 nations ahead of us and 30 behind us with universal health care.
I was not basing my conclusion on a correlation between productivity and healthcare from the article. I was basing it on your post:
[Politalker] "If we had a government guaranteed universal health care system then we would have a healthier, more productive, nation."
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You are economically illiterate.
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Hello Flash,
It was a shrewd try. Got to give credit for coming up with a seemingly convincing angle. But it doesn't really work.
It is not a fair comparison looking at other countries because there are so many more factors in play.
They are, after all, completely different countries with different societies, resources, customs, etc.
Here is what I am saying:
Our country would be more productive with more healthy people than our country would be with many of them sick because they can't afford health care.
More healthy people = more able workers. It is cut and dried crystal clear logic. It has zero to do with whatever is going on in other nations.
Sick people are not as productive as healthy people.
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What angle? You are correct about all the differences in the different countries meaning healthcare might not be responsible for productivity differences in any of them. It is also true that health differences in countries are not necessarily due to universal healthcare. Lifestyle differences are also a factor. Countries like Swedish with good health stats also have good stats in the U. S. without universal healthcare.
Notice my post says nothing pro or con against universal healthcare (if you think that is my angle). It is just to question claims like productivity and health stats are due to healthcare. Low income groups in the U. S. with poor health stats have those stats with or without Medicaid.
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People obtaining access to regular healthcare monitoring of their physical problems will elevate our health care results. Americans walkabout with problems they do not know until they are forced to go to Emergency. We are at the bottom of healthcare ratings of all industrial nations. Every other one has universal care.
PoliTalker (10-01-2020)
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And those countries do not have a 42% obesity rate. Medicaid recipients should have good healthcare ratings since they have access to healthcare.
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Hello Flash,
All true but none of it refutes the basic logic that healthy people are capable of being more productive than sick people.
Therefore:
Anything that increases the overall health in a country also must increase productivity.
Unless the only people being made more healthy are all non-workers!
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Hello Flash,
They do better than the ones who don't qualify, but need it.
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I live in Sweden We have Social Security.
We have affordable healthcare
Srict gun laws
5 weeks paid leave
hospital stays 10 bucks a night
prescriptions max 210 dollars a year
We are democratic and free
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A facebook post. Awesome.
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Hello Nordberg,
Sounds like a country that's got it's act together. A government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
The government cares for the people, uses it's power to improve their lives. That's a good function of a government. Governments that do that are popular with the people.
What kind of nation doesn't care about the future of her own people?
-The USA
Conservatives hate government. And they want everybody else hating government, too. They don't want anything that might cause people to like government.
Conservatives want a disgusting government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich.
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