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    Our "Experts" sure do suck.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Our "Experts" sure do suck.
    The rest of the first world listened to experts, and defeated the first wave. trump thought he was smarter than the experts, and the first wave keeps on going in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Our "Experts" sure do suck.
    Not really, but our politicians do.
    Don't be afraid to see what you see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    Not really, but our politicians do.
    Politicians did not for instance cause the CDC to massively botch the SARS-COV2 test during a time they had the reputation of being the best in the world at that sort of thing.

    They were horrible, so far as I know they have not even yet figured out what they did wrong.

    And look at all of the other crap CDC work.

    THEY SUCK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Politicians did not for instance cause the CDC to massively botch the SARS-COV2 test during a time they had the reputation of being the best in the world at that sort of thing.

    They were horrible, so far as I know they have not even yet figured out what they did wrong.
    The CDC decided to get involved in the gun debate by declaring gun violence a public health issue. Yeah, I think politicians have a lot to do with how the CDC operates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    "The real number of dead from the crisis could be significantly higher: As many as 215,000 more people than usual died in the U.S. from all causes during the first seven months of 2020, according to CDC figures. The death toll from COVID-19 during the same period was put at about 150,000 by Johns Hopkins.

    Researchers suspect some coronavirus deaths were overlooked, while other deaths may have been caused indirectly by the crisis, by creating such turmoil that people with chronic conditions such as diabetes or heart disease were unable or unwilling to get treatment.

    Dark, the emergency physician at Baylor, said that before the crisis, “people used to look to the United States with a degree of reverence. For democracy. For our moral leadership in the world. Supporting science and using technology to travel to the moon.”

    “Instead,” he said, “what’s really been exposed is how anti-science we’ve become.”"

    'Unfathomable': US death toll from coronavirus hits 200,000


    We now have upwards of a half million fewer Americans than we would have had, since the coronavirus pandemic began ravaging the nation uninhibited by a focused national strategy for dealing with the crisis, and lacking any kind of comprehensive responsible national leadership.

    200,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths + 215,000 possible COVID-19 deaths = 415,000
    Stupid fucking bitch, I said at the very start that almost as many will die from suicides, poverty, drug overdose, alcoholism, untreated illnesses etc. Now the fucking obnoxious cunt is proving me right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Ok fair enough. Surpassed based on what? Your opinion? You leftists with your predictions
    The cunt was predicting 2 million at the outset, he's one of the most miserable bastards I've ever encountered. Pretty sure he's a paid shill!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Liar only about 13,000 due to covid only, everything else was covid plus! how about being an American for once and putting the blame on China where it belongs!
    She won't do that and then runs and hides if you call the bitch out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    "The real number of dead from the crisis could be significantly higher: As many as 215,000 more people than usual died in the U.S. from all causes during the first seven months of 2020, according to CDC figures. The death toll from COVID-19 during the same period was put at about 150,000 by Johns Hopkins.

    Researchers suspect some coronavirus deaths were overlooked, while other deaths may have been caused indirectly by the crisis, by creating such turmoil that people with chronic conditions such as diabetes or heart disease were unable or unwilling to get treatment.

    Dark, the emergency physician at Baylor, said that before the crisis, “people used to look to the United States with a degree of reverence. For democracy. For our moral leadership in the world. Supporting science and using technology to travel to the moon.”

    “Instead,” he said, “what’s really been exposed is how anti-science we’ve become.”"

    'Unfathomable': US death toll from coronavirus hits 200,000


    We now have upwards of a half million fewer Americans than we would have had, since the coronavirus pandemic began ravaging the nation uninhibited by a focused national strategy for dealing with the crisis, and lacking any kind of comprehensive responsible national leadership.

    200,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths + 215,000 possible COVID-19 deaths = 415,000
    Fake news. Random number. Argument from randU fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I place the blame squarely on Trump.
    Trump is not responsible for random numbers published by the Associated Press.
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    Hello Poor Richard Saunders,

    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Your math is wrong. JHopkins lists 150,000 Covid deaths. 215,000 excess CDC deaths include the 150,000 Covid deaths.

    A quick look at the numbers from CDC shows that as of the end of August we have about 250,000 more deaths that would be expected if Covid didn't exist.

    Digging further into the numbers. Florida and Texas are under counting the deaths in their states by over 5,000 if the excess deaths would be attributed to Covid.
    Thanks for your take on it.

    OK, so if we read it like that it means there were 215,000 - 150,000 = 65,000 unexplained deaths besides the COVID deaths.

    Since COVID deaths just reached 200,000 the 65,000 can be added to that to equal 265,000 probably COVID deaths.

    But the 65,000 figure is old, so we know it is now even more than that.

    No matter what the actual death toll, it is way over figures the president previously said would indicate a good job being done.

    "Speaking in the White House Rose Garden, the US president claimed that, if his administration keeps the death toll to 100,000, it will have done “a very good job” – a startling shift from his optimistic predictions of a few days ago when he said he hoped to restart the economy by Easter.

    Trump also undermined his plea for unity by uttering falsehoods, verbally abusing reporters and making incendiary allegations that implied health care workers were stealing masks, without providing evidence.

    The extended deadline marked a humiliating retreat for the president who, having squandered six precious weeks at the start of the pandemic, more recently complained that the cure is worse than the problem and floated Easter Sunday as a “beautiful timeline” for reopening big swathes of the country."

    Trump Sets Early Figure For 'Doing A Very Good Job,' Then Misses It

    The reality is that it is widely accepted in the USA and all around the world that Trump has not done a very good job.

    Lack of good leadership has resulted in mass death.

    There is no sugar-coating it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Poor Richard Saunders,



    Thanks for your take on it.

    OK, so if we read it like that it means there were 215,000 - 150,000 = 65,000 unexplained deaths besides the COVID deaths.

    Since COVID deaths just reached 200,000 the 65,000 can be added to that to equal 265,000 probably COVID deaths.

    But the 65,000 figure is old, so we know it is now even more than that.

    No matter what the actual death toll, it is way over figures the president previously said would indicate a good job being done.

    "Speaking in the White House Rose Garden, the US president claimed that, if his administration keeps the death toll to 100,000, it will have done “a very good job” – a startling shift from his optimistic predictions of a few days ago when he said he hoped to restart the economy by Easter.

    Trump also undermined his plea for unity by uttering falsehoods, verbally abusing reporters and making incendiary allegations that implied health care workers were stealing masks, without providing evidence.

    The extended deadline marked a humiliating retreat for the president who, having squandered six precious weeks at the start of the pandemic, more recently complained that the cure is worse than the problem and floated Easter Sunday as a “beautiful timeline” for reopening big swathes of the country."

    Trump Sets Early Figure For 'Doing A Very Good Job,' Then Misses It

    The reality is that it is widely accepted in the USA and all around the world that Trump has not done a very good job.

    Lack of good leadership has resulted in mass death.

    There is no sugar-coating it.
    The CDC is about 4-6 weeks behind because its count of deaths is based on actual death certificates that it receives. If the last 6 weeks end up similar to the previous weeks we have at least 285,000 excess deaths and it is likely to be over 300,000. We currently have 80,000 unexplained deaths and those numbers will keep climbing as CDC receives more death certificates and adds them to the data.
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