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    Hope this doesn't come across as callous but "It is what it is"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    What evidence do you have that they would not have died if Trump said what you wanted him to say?
    If Trump has said back in 2019 that COVID is deadly and we need to wear masks to prevent the spread, there would be ZERO DEATHS today because people would have worn masks and taken it seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Shoot if he did what Biden wanted there would have been no travel bans until April and he'd likely have 4 times the deaths.
    So much bullshit for one sentence. Let's destroy you, point by point:

    1. If he did what Biden wanted, there wouldn't have been a pandemic at all because they would have simply followed the same pandemic playbook Obama used to contain Ebola and Zika. Biden warned about that very thing in October of 2019.

    2. Trump didn't want to do any travel bans, then grudgingly did one against China that had 40,000 loopholes. None of the people who did come in despite the ban were screened, tested, traced, or quarantined.

    3. After the ban, another 500,000 folks from China came into the country.

    4. Most importantly, the infected came from Europe and cruise ships, not China. That's why the overwhelming majority of cases in the early months were in the NY area; travelers from Europe, some of whom came to the US from China by way of Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    but hey, you got evidence of 13K deaths here. And your evidence? Well, they died.
    Yeah, they died of COVID because Trump lied about it. Over and over. Even when he was privately saying it was worse than the flu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    If Trump has said back in 2019 that COVID is deadly and we need to wear masks to prevent the spread, there would be ZERO DEATHS today because people would have worn masks and taken it seriously.
    There is no evidence that wearing masks would have saved every person you are talking about. But what I do know, if your folks were in charge nothing at all would have been done. Again, Biden didn't even approve of a travel ban until April... 3 months after Trump reacted Biden finally understood that banning travel from an infected country could stave off deaths. But he doesn't own his stupid, he has you to pretend it didn't exist....

    They, your heroes, weren't wearing masks, they were going to Chinatown and pretending that Trump's travel ban made people afraid of Asian folk (no evidence, not one thread of evidence and just.. not true). Another problem, there were not enough masks here in the US for that to have happened... seriously, not even close. Running around and saying "xenophobic" is not a plan, didn't help, and was trying to undermine the single largest thing that could be actually done at that time to stave off many infections.

    What I do know:

    If Biden was in charge we would have had many, many, many more infections...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    We know that Cuomo caused a ton of deaths by sending old folks back into old folks homes when they were known to be infected, but I don't hear you informing folks of the deaths caused by Cuomo...
    Yeah, Cuomo fucked up by doing that.

    So why are you fucking it up even worse today? Over half of all COVID cases in TX are in nursing homes.

    But leadership comes from the top, and as President, Trump failed that leadership test because he was lying about the threat.

    And you believed his lies because you're a fucking idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    I'm pretty sure you are just a partisan hack and you just make up numbers... Like Biden with his 200,000,000 people dead in the US... (For those who are counting that's about 2/3 of our population)...
    Funny you mention that number, because that is also the minimum number required for the "herd immunity" experiment to work.

    Doing so would result in about 6 million deaths.

    So you want to kill 6 million more people to prove a point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    There is no evidence that wearing masks would have saved every person you are talking about..
    The CDC Director said last week that masks may actually be better at stopping the virus than a vaccine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    There is no evidence that wearing masks would have saved every person you are talking about. But what I do know, if your folks were in charge nothing at all would have been done. Again, Biden didn't even approve of a travel ban until April... 3 months after Trump reacted Biden finally understood that banning travel from an infected country could stave off deaths. But he doesn't own his stupid, he has you to pretend it didn't exist....
    Travel ban? What is it with you all and that stupid thing?

    The "travel ban" didn't ban 40,000 people, nor did it ban 500,000 who came in the months afterwards.

    Also, most of the infected came from Europe, which is why NYC got hit hard first.

    And a travel ban is pointless if the disease is already in the country, spreading unchecked as it was in the early months because we weren't testing and Trump was lying about it.

    And you are dumb enough to have believed his lies, which is why you're toiling his baggage today. Admitting you got conned would just be too damaging to your ego. So you deny everything, you shirk responsibility, and you do so in the most lazy way possible.

    Oh, and now we are banned from travelling to many countries. Including Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Funny you mention that number, because that is also the minimum number required for the "herd immunity" experiment to work.

    Doing so would result in about 6 million deaths.

    So you want to kill 6 million more people to prove a point?
    no. herd immunity isn't known with COVID.. estimates are as low as 20 or up to 50%

    Deaths don't follow in a straight line from cases either, as we test more, and therapy improves.
    and it depends on the populations testing positive
    Then there are vaccines which act the same as herd immunity

    In short you are a blithering idiot as usual

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Travel ban? What is it with you all and that stupid thing?

    The "travel ban" didn't ban 40,000 people, nor did it ban 500,000 who came in the months afterwards.

    Also, most of the infected came from Europe, which is why NYC got hit hard first.

    And a travel ban is pointless if the disease is already in the country, spreading unchecked as it was in the early months because we weren't testing and Trump was lying about it.
    the 40k were US dependents - not local Chinese
    Chances are they are more careful then Wuhan citizens

    500k are from where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    Funny you mention that number, because that is also the minimum number required for the "herd immunity" experiment to work.

    Doing so would result in about 6 million deaths.

    So you want to kill 6 million more people to prove a point?
    You are arguing strawmen. Another thing that I know, and clearly you do too... If you pretend someone says all sorts of nonsense, then it is really easy to "beat" that nonsense in an argument. The problem is folks can read back and see that I have not said anything of the sort. I simply point out facts that you don't like, that you then ignore, then you build a crappy strawman and then finally "congratulate" yourself when you think you've "won"...

    You are a waste of my time.

    This entire post I quote here is basically asking somebody if they stopped beating their dog yet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    The CDC Director said last week that masks may actually be better at stopping the virus than a vaccine.
    No, I listened... He said that right now (literally the words "right now" came out of his mouth), until there is a vaccine, masks are the best way to avoid spreading the infection. I'm good with that. I wear one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    They, your heroes, weren't wearing masks, they were going to Chinatown and pretending that Trump's travel ban made people afraid of Asian folk (no evidence, not one thread of evidence and just.. not true). Another problem, there were not enough masks here in the US for that to have happened... seriously, not even close. Running around and saying "xenophobic" is not a plan, didn't help, and was trying to undermine the single largest thing that could be actually done at that time to stave off many infections.
    While all that was happening, Trump was lying about the virus.
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