Secession?

[Walt]

Just move. As a matter of fact avoid the rush and do it now.

Moving a 150 million people is a major number of people to suddenly move. You call the places they live "shit holes", so why not let the "shit holes" go? We can free you up to do whatever it is you want (crystal meth, and opioids), and we will be free to do what we want (education, and industry).

[Legion]

Moving a 150 million people is a major number of people to suddenly move.

[Sailor]

Not when you factor out fixed facilities like military bases, national parks and lands, etc. You see, studies that cite what you are saying dilute the return by including everything not variable and fixed in the funding.

Correct. If the federal government pulled out of CA they would fold within a month. Not to mention if they had to actually pay their own liabilities.

[Walt]

Correct. If the federal government pulled out of CA they would fold within a month. Not to mention if they had to actually pay their own liabilities.

The Northeast and the West Coast send more money into the federal government than they get out. That alone does not prove that they can do better without the red states, because there is always the factor of a sum being bigger than its parts (synergy), but it certainly implies that the Blue States will do better than the Red States if they divide.

In short, the world looks to New York, Silicon Valley, and Hollywood. No one cares about Kansas, Kentucky, and North Dakota. A Blue America still has the New York Federal Reserve, what parts of the federal government would a Red America have?

[Sailor]

The Northeast and the West Coast send more money into the federal government than they get out. That alone does not prove that they can do better without the red states, because there is always the factor of a sum being bigger than its parts (synergy), but it certainly implies that the Blue States will do better than the Red States if they divide.

In short, the world looks to New York, Silicon Valley, and Hollywood. No one cares about Kansas, Kentucky, and North Dakota. A Blue America still has the New York Federal Reserve, what parts of the federal government would a Red America have?

Absofuckinglutely wrong Walt. You always are.

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I will support secession if Trump* supposedly wins. I won't live under a cult of morons who worship a criminal. It will be like the Jewish people fleeing Nazi Germany.

will you personally secede?

Jarod says he is going to Italy

[Sailor]

will you personally secede?

Jarod says he is going to Italy

He would not last long there. Thankfully.

[T. A. Gardner]

False, California’s economy is bigger than Spain and France combined.

[PostmodernProphet]

Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
California contributes way more than its share to the federal government. Good luck without them.

don't be silly........if California leaves social security and medicare will be secure for generations........or were you stupid enough to think they could take that with them......

[Jarod]

will you personally secede?

Jarod says he is going to Italy

Did I say that?

[Legion]

Jarod says he is going to Italy

Again?

[Legion]

Did I say that?

I attained Italian citizenship.

[archives]

Absofuckinglutely wrong Walt. You always are.

How is he wrong?

It is a fact those Blue States you hate do subsidize most Red States, and as he said, "the world looks to New York, Silicon Valley, and Hollywood. No one cares about Kansas, Kentucky, and North Dakota, it ain't referred to fly over country for no reason

[archives]

don't be silly........if California leaves social security and medicare will be secure for generations........or were you stupid enough to think they could take that with them......

If California left sixteen percent of the US's GDP leaves, pull the rest of the Blue States out, and the US resembles Albania

[canceled.2021.3]

Did I say that?

You implied it