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    I really would be thrilled if California left the United States. Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anchovies View Post
    If California left sixteen percent of the US's GDP leaves, pull the rest of the Blue States out, and the US resembles Albania
    The state isn't leaving the union. People are leaving the state.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    I really would be thrilled if California left the United States. Seriously.
    It's a beautiful place, for the most part. The problem is DEMOCRATS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    How is he wrong?

    It is a fact those Blue States you hate do subsidize most Red States, and as he said, "the world looks to New York, Silicon Valley, and Hollywood. No one cares about Kansas, Kentucky, and North Dakota, it ain't referred to fly over country for no reason
    I just chastised you on another thread for the same stupidity. Look it up. California is not a donor state. Fender head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    It's a beautiful place, for the most part. The problem is DEMOCRATS.
    I'm sure I could still go there on vacation, they just would no longer have a voice in my government. They could do yet another socialist experiment and think happy thoughts. I don't really care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    If California left sixteen percent of the US's GDP leaves, pull the rest of the Blue States out, and the US resembles Albania
    How long have you been inside Archives? Go out and get some fresh air. Watch out for bullets though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    don't be silly........if California leaves social security and medicare will be secure for generations........or were you stupid enough to think they could take that with them......
    The problem is all the leftists running away from California (because of leftist policies) and then voting for DEMOCRATS in the states they invade.

    California Leads The Nation – In Poverty

    The Census Bureau’s annual reports on poverty in America were released on Sept. 15.

    The reports provide three salient observations.

    First, that the largest reductions in poverty in the past 10 years occurred in 2019, as American employment and wage growth was particularly strong in minority communities in the wake of President Trump’s economy-boosting tax cuts and regulatory reforms.

    Second, that California’s persistently high housing costs drive almost 2 million people into poverty, with 17.2% of Californians in poverty, the nation’s highest, compared to 12.5% nationally. For the past 10 years, California has had the nation’s highest poverty rate.

    And, third, that Texas, specifically, Austin, is replicating the California policies that have result in out-of-reach housing costs. Texas’ poverty rate was 13.7% in 2019, the nation’s sixth-highest, just behind New York, and has been slowly trending up relative to other states.


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2020/09/17/report-shows-big-declines-in-poverty-in-2019-but-california-leads-the-nation--in-poverty--with-austin-texas-trying-hard-to-catch-up/#7ba6c8dc7897

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    I just chastised you on another thread for the same stupidity. Look it up. California is not a donor state. Fender head.
    Well, you never did what you claim, and show me where I said California was a donor state, who is the "fender head" now

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Well, you never did what you claim, and show me where I said California was a donor state, who is the "fender head" now
    Once again Archives, you show how foolish you are. Democrats are real good at that. You have no idea what I was answering, you just decided to stick your nose into it without looking. Go back and read the thread. Fender head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    I'm sure I could still go there on vacation, they just would no longer have a voice in my government. They could do yet another socialist experiment and think happy thoughts. I don't really care.
    Unfortunately, high taxes and the attendant cost of living are driving millions away from the Beholden State, and a great many are moving to your backyard.

    Being leftists (they never learn), these refugees will vote for DEMOCRATS when they get to Colorado and the pattern will repeat itself. Colorado will turn into California by 2030.

    Don't take my word for it. It's already happening around the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    How long have you been inside Archives? Go out and get some fresh air. Watch out for bullets though.
    Wrong, facts back me up (https://www.statista.com/chart/9358/...te-and-region/), and I don't have to worry about bullets, I live in a gun restricted State

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    Default California - a Warning Against One-Party Rule

    Fires, blackouts, high taxes, poverty, scarce housing, urban squalor, lousy schools — it’s a wonder anybody stays.



    “California, folks, is America fast forward.”

    Thus said Governor Gavin Newsom. “What we’re experiencing right here is coming to a community all across the United States of America."

    California is “the progressive model of the future: a once-innovative, rich state that is now a civilization in near ruins.

    Back in 2007, total state spending was $146 billion. Last year it was $215 billion.

    I know, I know: In real terms California’s GDP increased by nearly a third in the same period. And I know: If it were an independent nation it would be the fifth-largest economy in the world, ahead of India’s. But for how much longer will that be true?

    California’s taxes aren’t the highest in the country — for the median household. But the tax system is one of the most progressive, with a 13.3% top tax rate on incomes above $1 million — and that’s no longer deductible from the federal tax bill as it used to be. The top 1% of taxpayers (those earning more than $500,000) now account for half of personal income-tax revenue. And there’s worse to come.

    The latest brilliant ideas in Sacramento are to raise the top income rate up to 16.8% and to levy a wealth tax (0.4% on personal fortunes over $30 million) that you couldn’t even avoid paying if you left the state. (The proposal envisages payment for up to 10 years after departure to a lower-tax state.) It is a strange place that seeks to repel the rich while making itself a magnet for illegal immigrants by establishing no fewer than 20 “sanctuary” cities or counties.

    And the results of all this progressive policy? A poverty boom.

    California now has 12% of the nation's population, but over 30% of its welfare recipients.

    A new Census Bureau report, which takes housing and other costs into account, says the poverty rate in California is 17.2%, the highest of any state. (Newsom gets one thing right when he says, “We're living in the wealthiest as well as the poorest state in America.”)

    About a third of California’s poverty can be attributed to housing and other living costs such as clothing and utilities. As everyone who resides there knows, there’s a chronic housing shortage in the Bay Area (the median-priced home in San Francisco costs about $1.5 million), mainly because a plethora of regulations make the construction of affordable housing well-nigh impossible.

    In blithe disregard of all we know about rent controls — which discourage landlords from providing housing — that is, predictably, the solution the DEMOCRATS propose.

    But that’s not all. The state’s public schools rank 37th in the country overall and have the highest pupil-teacher ratio.

    “Only half of California students meet English standards and fewer meet math standards, test scores show,” was a headline in the Los Angeles Times. Health care and pension costs are unsustainable.

    Oh, and they messed up on Covid-19, despite imposing the nation’s first shelter-in-place orders. Having prematurely claimed victory, California now leads New York in terms of cases, though not deaths.

    Back in the 1960s, California was the world’s fantasy destination. “California Dreamin’,” “California Girls,” “Going to California” — you know the songs.

    But reputations have a way of outliving reality. Despite the economic miracle wrought in Silicon Valley, beginning with the genesis of the internet back in the 1970s, and despite the continuing strength of the state’s universities, the dream in terms of quality of life has slowly died.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-09-20/california-burnin-a-warning-against-one-party-rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Unfortunately, high taxes and the attendant cost of living are driving millions away from the Beholden State, and a great many are moving to your backyard.

    Being leftists (they never learn), these refugees will vote for DEMOCRATS when they get to Colorado and the pattern will repeat itself. Colorado will turn into California by 2030.

    Don't take my word for it. It's already happening around the country.
    Of course it is, not the 1950's anymore, and we are all glad of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Fires, blackouts, high taxes, poverty, scarce housing, urban squalor, lousy schools — it’s a wonder anybody stays.



    “California, folks, is America fast forward.”

    Thus said Governor Gavin Newsom. “What we’re experiencing right here is coming to a community all across the United States of America."

    California is “the progressive model of the future: a once-innovative, rich state that is now a civilization in near ruins.

    Back in 2007, total state spending was $146 billion. Last year it was $215 billion.

    I know, I know: In real terms California’s GDP increased by nearly a third in the same period. And I know: If it were an independent nation it would be the fifth-largest economy in the world, ahead of India’s. But for how much longer will that be true?

    California’s taxes aren’t the highest in the country — for the median household. But the tax system is one of the most progressive, with a 13.3% top tax rate on incomes above $1 million — and that’s no longer deductible from the federal tax bill as it used to be. The top 1% of taxpayers (those earning more than $500,000) now account for half of personal income-tax revenue. And there’s worse to come.

    The latest brilliant ideas in Sacramento are to raise the top income rate up to 16.8% and to levy a wealth tax (0.4% on personal fortunes over $30 million) that you couldn’t even avoid paying if you left the state. (The proposal envisages payment for up to 10 years after departure to a lower-tax state.) It is a strange place that seeks to repel the rich while making itself a magnet for illegal immigrants by establishing no fewer than 20 “sanctuary” cities or counties.

    And the results of all this progressive policy? A poverty boom.

    California now has 12% of the nation's population, but over 30% of its welfare recipients.

    A new Census Bureau report, which takes housing and other costs into account, says the poverty rate in California is 17.2%, the highest of any state. (Newsom gets one thing right when he says, “We're living in the wealthiest as well as the poorest state in America.”)

    About a third of California’s poverty can be attributed to housing and other living costs such as clothing and utilities. As everyone who resides there knows, there’s a chronic housing shortage in the Bay Area (the median-priced home in San Francisco costs about $1.5 million), mainly because a plethora of regulations make the construction of affordable housing well-nigh impossible.

    In blithe disregard of all we know about rent controls — which discourage landlords from providing housing — that is, predictably, the solution the DEMOCRATS propose.

    But that’s not all. The state’s public schools rank 37th in the country overall and have the highest pupil-teacher ratio.

    “Only half of California students meet English standards and fewer meet math standards, test scores show,” was a headline in the Los Angeles Times. Health care and pension costs are unsustainable.

    Oh, and they messed up on Covid-19, despite imposing the nation’s first shelter-in-place orders. Having prematurely claimed victory, California now leads New York in terms of cases, though not deaths.

    Back in the 1960s, California was the world’s fantasy destination. “California Dreamin’,” “California Girls,” “Going to California” — you know the songs.

    But reputations have a way of outliving reality. Despite the economic miracle wrought in Silicon Valley, beginning with the genesis of the internet back in the 1970s, and despite the continuing strength of the state’s universities, the dream in terms of quality of life has slowly died.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-09-20/california-burnin-a-warning-against-one-party-rule
    Guess you didn't notice "opinion"

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