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    Default What's to stop the virus wiping out half of all Americans ?

    Covid-19: UK faces 50,000 cases a day by October without action - Vallance

    The UK could see 50,000 new coronavirus cases a day by mid-October without further restrictions, the government's chief scientific adviser has warned.

    Sir Patrick Vallance said that "would be expected to lead to about 200 deaths per day" a month after that.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54234084
    I've posted this clip from current UK news as Europe wakes up hours before the US. Also the US press doesn't seem to be inclined to pass on the bad news to its readership. Maybe later in the day.
    Wave2 is on it's way- and we haven't yet controlled Wave1.

    Act or die. ( Trumpovax ain't it )
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    The media is disinclined to run with panic porn lol?

    That’s actually funny. I’ve seen too many wrong COVID prophecies. It could be that COVID doesn’t have ‘a season’ like the flu does. In fact, since the Sun Belt had significant peaks—in the peak of summer heat, it’s safe to say the China Virus that came from China isn’t seasonal. At least not in the sense we think of most respiratory viruses.

    Then there’s the ‘case’ problem. If the UK is over-cycling their PCR tests like they are here, the data they are using in their computer models is largely junk which means the numbers they are coming up with are spurious and should be taken with a hefty grain of salt.

    Treatments have gotten much better. In fact, very early on there were a very high number of iatrogenic deaths from inappropriate intubation of COVID patients. It would be interesting to know how many of the 200,000* were iatrogenic deaths. Aka needless deaths.

    We’ll see.
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    Thank you, Daft Omar 61.
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    Therapy has come a long way.
    we know what works - except for the (demonization of hydroxychloroquine) -there are effective treatments

    And there are at least 3 vaccines in Phase 3 trials

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    I've posted this clip from current UK news as Europe wakes up hours before the US. Also the US press doesn't seem to be inclined to pass on the bad news to its readership. Maybe later in the day.
    Wave2 is on it's way- and we haven't yet controlled Wave1.

    Act or die. ( Trumpovax ain't it )
    So far, as most of us see it, the 50% of Americans that will die ... are the Trumptopians. (Just in time for Elections)

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    The vast majority of Americans are susceptible to the virus and not protected . Optimism is all very well- but tends to dampen enthusiasm for action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The media is disinclined to run with panic porn lol?

    That’s actually funny. I’ve seen too many wrong COVID prophecies. It could be that COVID doesn’t have ‘a season’ like the flu does. In fact, since the Sun Belt had significant peaks—in the peak of summer heat, it’s safe to say the China Virus that came from China isn’t seasonal. At least not in the sense we think of most respiratory viruses.

    Then there’s the ‘case’ problem. If the UK is over-cycling their PCR tests like they are here, the data they are using in their computer models is largely junk which means the numbers they are coming up with are spurious and should be taken with a hefty grain of salt.

    Treatments have gotten much better. In fact, very early on there were a very high number of iatrogenic deaths from inappropriate intubation of COVID patients. It would be interesting to know how many of the 200,000* were iatrogenic deaths. Aka needless deaths.
    what is PCR tests? I get the idea though -multiple testing of a person positive?
    intubation likely led to a lot of lung damage - anything else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Therapy has come a long way.
    we know what works - except for the (demonization of hydroxychloroquine) -there are effective treatments

    And there are at least 3 vaccines in Phase 3 trials
    I haven’t done it but I have a buddy that already has it lined up with his doc.

    If he tests positive he’s going straight to the HCQ cocktail. Not a bad idea really. What’s amazing is that there are people who won’t do this. Why would you ‘not take something’ that isn’t going to hurt and might end up keeping you from needing a hospital bed—and perhaps even save your life?

    And the fact this treatment option was shutdown in some states is *literally* criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    what is PCR tests? I get the idea though -multiple testing of a person positive?
    intubation likely led to a lot of lung damage - anything else?
    PCR tests amplify the amount of virus in a sample. Each cycle amplifies it one step further. Studies have shown samples should be cycled no more than 20-25 times because it will start picking up fragments of viral DNA that pose absolutely NO RISK to anyone. And these can even include DNA fragments from past common cold infections [cold virus is a Corona].

    And these PCR’s are being cycled up to 40 times in some instances.

    Since PCR test results are binary [either positive or negative] an individual can be labeled COVID positive when the person is at absolutely zero risk of infection and couldn’t infect someone else if they tried.

    And up to 90% of positive PCR tests over cycled and get labeled ‘positive’. It’s astounding. In a bad way.

    The ‘lung glassing’ that was going on early in the epidemic was from inappropriate intubation. Not sure of the mechanism. But that was going on because the CDC guidelines called for early intubation: patients came in with mild respiratory distress were put on ventilators. To be perfectly blunt—it killed many of them.

    Thankfully, the ‘boots on the ground’ saw what was going on and stopped it. Probably after we were up deaths in the 10’s of thousands, but yeah.

    Like I’ve been saying, some of this stuff is going to get a really hard look at some point.
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    As far as I can see, unless we can not only discover and test a successful cure but also manufacture it in enormous quantity and distribute it to everyone, we're going to have a continuous tension between the needs of capitalism and of humanity for a very long time: unless they can make us all work for them, they get no profit/ if we work for them we die. In silly, populist countries where the governments just strike attitudes and the mugs refuse the most basic precautions, I can't see a lot of hope. Still, it doesn't begin to compare with the Black Death yet - it's the lack of connection with rats, though Trumpf is doing his best to take over their role.

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    got it. the amplifications used to detect the virus can pick up DNA fragments to create false positives.

    If only the morons at CDC and FDA would have at least listened to FRONTLINE DOCTORS
    They won't even meet face to face -they are not practicing physicians for the most part.

    what they did to hydroxychloroquine treatment is a scandalous malpractice pf denial of treatment.
    They should get out of their ivy towers, and get with patients sometimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I haven’t done it but I have a buddy that already has it lined up with his doc.

    If he tests positive he’s going straight to the HCQ cocktail. Not a bad idea really. What’s amazing is that there are people who won’t do this. Why would you ‘not take something’ that isn’t going to hurt and might end up keeping you from needing a hospital bed—and perhaps even save your life?

    And the fact this treatment option was shutdown in some states is *literally* criminal.
    I know why they won't do it! It might mean trump was right. They would rather die than say or do anything that might suggest trump was right. There how fucked up these people are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    As far as I can see, unless we can not only discover and test a successful cure but also manufacture it in enormous quantity and distribute it to everyone, we're going to have a continuous tension between the needs of capitalism and of humanity for a very long time: unless they can make us all work for them, they get no profit/ if we work for them we die. In silly, populist countries where the governments just strike attitudes and the mugs refuse the most basic precautions, I can't see a lot of hope. Still, it doesn't begin to compare with the Black Death yet - it's the lack of connection with rats, though Trumpf is doing his best to take over their role.
    Aye to that. It's not as if they can call a war to divert an angry populace , is it. We'd all be fried on Day 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    And there are at least 3 vaccines in Phase 3 trials
    A phase 3 trial of a normal vaccine has a 20% chance of working, but these are not normal vaccines, so have a much lower chance of working. Best guess is they have a 5% chance of working. So three together have a bit less than a 15% chance of working.

    To put this into reference, it is like filling a revolver with 5 bullets and spinning it, then firing the chamber at your head. It is the most severe version of Russian Roulette.

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