Reply With QuoteEarl (09-24-2020)
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PoliTalker is a moron with no constitutional literacy...Originally Posted by Flash
Earl (09-24-2020)
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Hello Flash,
If not amended, the size of the SCOTUS is subject to continual expansion as each side tries to gain advantage. It would become absurd and lose respect.
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It has worked fine since 1789 and has not always been nine. I think the "continued expansion" possibility will deter the parties from trying to expand. It takes time away from their legislative agenda.
I thought you meant we needed an amendment about SC appointments in an election year.
I think you are being overly optimistic about getting Republican votes against confirmation. I remember you thought there was a possibility of getting Republican votes for conviction. I've noticed posters seem optimistic about the chances for their side about winning elections, removing a president.....
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Flash,
The confirmation is going to go through. I already updated the reporting with a post in this thread. Not enough scruples in the Republican Senate. That will affect the election, no doubt. Senate could flip.
I made no predictions. Merely said these things were possible. I left it open for Republicans, but they let us down every time.
Lack of moral fiber in the Republican Senate is the reason for failure.
The voters are paying attention.
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How do you think it will affect the election? It seems it will make Republicans happy and Democrats unhappy which reinforces their previous voting choice. I don't think it has anything to do with scruples or moral fiber of Republicans since they favor getting another conservative on the court just like Democrats wanted another Obama appointment in 2016.
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Hello Flash,
The problem Trump has is that many of the type of people who might support him are low information. They don't really pay attention to the news. He has already motivated just about all the people he can with his type of messaging. He has little hope of turning supporters out in greater numbers, nor expanding his base. The people that the SCOTUS matters to are already planning to vote.
Biden has lots of room to turn out more potential voters. They will be even more motivated than they already are when they learn that Roe and Obamacare are on the line. The best motivator for Biden voters is Trump. Trump's problem is he is that he can motivate lots of potential voters, but they are more likely to vote against him.
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I agree with several of your comments. But many Democratic voters are also low information because they include those with the lowest level of education. I don't think Trump can motivate a larger group to support him; but, 50% of the whites without a college degree (strong Trump supporters) did not vote in 2016. He may have a shot at increasing those.
Biden's problem is turnout. Like Hillary, he has a negative approval score and does not excite many voters. Black voters who would loyally vote Democratic if they voted failed to turn out in 2016 the way they did in 2012.
I don't think telling low information voters that Roe is in danger is going to motivate many of them. After all, it doesn't prohibit abortion but only returns the decision to the states where a majority of people could legally get abortions before Roe. And, there is little chance Roe would be reversed. That is what people said about Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.
The 7.8 million third party voters in 2016 could make a big difference. In 2016 the third party vote was higher than Trump's margin of victory in five states. Republicans are working to get Kanye on the ballot in some states.
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We'll see how it plays out............... with Moscow Mitch replacing a Progressive SC Justice with a Religious Conservative one, I can't blame them.
We already have the country very divided- hasn't been this divided since prob the civil war or freedom marches in the early 60's, & to top it off a wannabe president no sure if he will leave if he loses & riots in the streets.....
"There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."
Malarkeyville
Yes, he rarely does
"There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."
Malarkeyville
I guess they figured biden would be a better compromise fit..
I don't recall anyone here pumped up about Biden~nor do I hear anyone now either............
I thought Bernie would have been a real asset on the tix but there would have been an endless drumbeat of commie..........
I guess when hillary or whoever in the dnc said enough, all the rest just bowed out for Biden, every dems fourth choice..........
"There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."
Malarkeyville
It is pretty impressive, especially Brazil & China..
Would like to see Japan, s Korea & Taiwan as well............... Singapore??
"There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Flash,
That's the biggest problem with American politics. Most voters on both sides are actually low information.
Biden doesn't have to turn voters out to vote for him. Trump will do it for him. Trump will turn out more voters to vote against Trump than for.
Biden sure turned 'em out in the South Carolina primary. He was building slow until then but caught fire. That's when people realized: "OK. He's the one to beat Trump!" People were already motivated against Trump, ready to vote for any functioning adult. That was the moment it came together. It is true there is little excitement about Biden. The excitement is in realizing that Biden is a viable way to get rid of Trump.
Roe doesn't motivate low information voters but it does turn out the activists. What will motivate low information Democratic voters is losing Obamacare. Losing preexisting conditions will also motivate voters. Obamacare polls at over 50% now. People don't want to have that taken away. And few believe it it is that health insurance premiums are going to drop. Big insurance will pocket any savings (if any.)
I doubt the Kayne gambit will make much difference. Few think he has a chance. Most know it is a thrown away vote. And he could backfire and pull some Trump voters away, too.
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Yes, I guess that old axiom that voters must be informed and active in order for democracy to survive is not necessary, after all.
Agreed. But that was also true in 2016. Most of them are Democrats who are already going to vote for their party's candidate. I'm not sure there are any more anti-Trump voters this year than 2016. My state has 2 million more registered voters than 2016 and I'm sure many of those are anti-Trump but there are also many younger pro-Trump white working class voters who were previously apolitical and unregistered.
Activists are already motivated to vote. If losing Obamacare motivates low information voters to support Biden that is probably already reflected in the polls. I'm not sure low information voters are aware of the court cases dealing with Obamacare.
Trump issued an executive order to preserve preexisting conditions but I question its validity.
Sure, Kayne is not going to get any votes, but Republicans are also fighting to get the Green Party on the ballot. In 2016 the number of third party votes in 5 key states was more than the difference between Trump-Clinton. Of course, people's assumptions of whether those third party voters would have supported Trump or Clinton are usually not based on reality.
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Flash,
Surviving and thriving are two different things.
No, not as much. In 2016 the low information Trump voters only impression of him was from 'The Apprentice' TV show. Now they have a real sense of how Trump behaves in real life. It is distasteful to many of them. Many have rejected Trump. Poorly informed people who voted for him in 2016 have changed their minds after they saw what they voted for.
That's a trick. EO's are only good as long as the president wants them to be. It can be reversed the moment he doesn't need the voters he was appealing to with it.
Ordinarily, third party platforms can siphon off some votes. But the problem for that is that this year the motivation is not issue-based, but to prevent Trump.
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Earl (09-24-2020)
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Indeed and an un-American who cheered the economic loss for millions of Americans and their families caused by the virus from China that
China failed to contain.
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