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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Trump is trying to sabotage the post office.
    Is he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    But Russians interfering in an election was proven to have happened in the last election. And now Trump is trying to sabotage the post office.
    Russian interference was impotent and no he didn’t.
    Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziggy View Post
    Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) has introduced a plan to effectively ban ballot harvesting ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

    This week, Gabbard introduced the Election Fraud Prevention Act, co-sponsored by Rep. Rodney Davis (R-IL), that would amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to ban federal payments to states that allow ballot harvesting.

    Ballot harvesting, which a Michigan judge cleared for use in the election on Friday, allows political operatives to collect and deliver as many ballots as they want so long as they are not paid based on the number of ballots they deliver. The loophole allows these operatives to be paid in most cases.

    Gabbard said the reform is vital to ensuring that special interest groups do not corrupt the voting process for voters.

    Gabbard said in a statement.:

    This bill protects assistance from family members, household members, and caregivers as well as election officials and mail carriers acting in their official capacity. Voters will still have assistance, if they need it, to turn in their vote, but this bill makes sure that third-party special interest groups don’t get between voters and the ballot box.

    The plan would require that states only permit mail-in ballots to be handled by election officials, mail carriers, family members, and caregivers of the voter.

    Nevada’s June primary shows huge issues with mail-in voting. In Las Vegas, Nevada, more than 223,000 mail-in ballots were deemed “undeliverable” in the election — about 17 percent of the total number of mail-in ballots sent out to voters, unsolicited.

    Federal election data reveals that since 2012, about 28.4 million mail-in ballots have gone missing in each of the last four election cycles. According to Pew Research Center analysis, there are potentially 24 million ineligible or inaccurate voter registrations on state voter rolls.

    Recent data has not shown a compelling public health justification for mail-in voting. In Wisconsin’s April election, only 52 of more than 400,000 voters and poll workers were confirmed to have contracted the Chinese coronavirus. None of those cases were fatal. This equals an infection rate below two-hundredths of one percent.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...2020-election/
    A DimFart article. Cool!

    Tulsi actually had my support for POTUS before she squandered her constitutional responsibilities by refusing to vote for trump's impeachment last year.

    Time for Tulsi to join Hillary in the woods!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Is that so?
    It is so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    It is so.
    Prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trump's Brain View Post
    A DimFart article.


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    forget "da Russians"! interference
    Nevada’s June primary shows huge issues with mail-in voting. In Las Vegas, Nevada, more than 223,000 mail-in ballots were deemed “undeliverable” in the election — about 17 percent of the total number of mail-in ballots sent out to voters, unsolicited.

    Federal election data reveals that since 2012, about 28.4 million mail-in ballots have gone missing in each of the last four election cycles. According to Pew Research Center analysis, there are potentially 24 million ineligible or inaccurate voter registrations on state voter rolls.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Russians have written editorials and bought ads forever. This is not new, nor is it Trump's fault, nor does it affect the elections as much as you want to believe it does because Trump won more electoral college votes than HillBillary.

    When we were in Poli-sci class we read the "articles" they would write (from 1970s through 80s), and the editorials, etc. We learned how they traced the money for the ads. Some of the recent election laws were in part written to stop them from buying TV ads...
    That's fine. People in other countries, including politicians, will always comment on our elections. That's just part of Democracy, especially in today's globalized world. And maybe it's a good thing, since it gives us a chance to see how potential presidents will be perceived internationally.
    However, a potential president coordinating with a foreign government to have people posing as Americans spread Fake News online, that actually is a problem. It's bad enough we have real Americans spreading Fake News without the help of a corrupt politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Russian interference was impotent and no he didn’t.
    This is literally like saying these guys robbed a bank, but they only stole twenty bucks, so it's no big deal and yes he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    That's fine. People in other countries, including politicians, will always comment on our elections. That's just part of Democracy, especially in today's globalized world. And maybe it's a good thing, since it gives us a chance to see how potential presidents will be perceived internationally.
    However, a potential president coordinating with a foreign government to have people posing as Americans spread Fake News online, that actually is a problem. It's bad enough we have real Americans spreading Fake News without the help of a corrupt politician.
    You missed the point, they've been doing this stuff for decades, if not a century. It is not different, it is not new, it didn't start with Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Did you read the rest of my post? I dismiss Gabbard as well because she's not a true democrat or public servant. And yes.. BB is trash as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    a potential president coordinating with a foreign government to have people posing as Americans spread Fake News online, that actually is a problem.
    except there was no coordination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Russians have written editorials and bought ads forever. This is not new, nor is it Trump's fault, nor does it affect the elections as much as you want to believe it does because Trump won more electoral college votes than HillBillary.

    When we were in Poli-sci class we read the "articles" they would write (from 1970s through 80s), and the editorials, etc. We learned how they traced the money for the ads. Some of the recent election laws were in part written to stop them from buying TV ads...
    there is so much dark money being pumped in by Dems -da Russians are not even marginally important

    Democrats used to rail against 'dark money.' Now they're better at it than the GOP.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...etter-n1239830

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    there is so much dark money being pumped in by Dems -da Russians are not even marginally important

    Democrats used to rail against 'dark money.' Now they're better at it than the GOP.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...etter-n1239830
    Yes. This is another thing we learned about...
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    Hello ziggy,

    Quote Originally Posted by ziggy View Post
    Makes sense.

    I support this.

    Everyone needs to vote for them selves. If not possible, OK, a family member or caretaker. Not political operative groups.

    Q: Why can't we just build robust secure online voting systems?

    You can do your taxes and banking online, you should be able to vote there.
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