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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    If a new clean biofuel for jets could be developed which could mitigate the impact of contrails that would help.
    The modern jet engine is the most fuel efficient engine developed for miles traveled per pound. Contrails are water vapor, created by burning fuel in the engine. Secondary contrails can occur off the wingtip vortices as high pressure air from under the wing meets low pressure air at the top of the wing at the wing tip, effectively squeezing out moisture from the air. Contrails are liquid water squeezed out of the air, either by compressors in a jet engine, or by wingtip vortices. Burning hydrocarbons also create water as exhaust.
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    But there is still something to be said for trains.
    Trains are slow and impractical for the huge expanse between cities in most of the U.S. They are great for freight, however, if time isn't a major factor in it's delivery. Great for that bulk freight like coal, shipping containers of imports, grain, etc. The modern locomotive is the most efficient engine in terms of weight moved per mile. Both engines use oil for fuel (kerosene for jet engines and diesel oil for locomotives).
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    Consider a full-day business trip. It turns into three days with travel.
    Why would anyone waste three days on a one day trip in business??
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    The worker does the travel the day before, gets a hotel, sleeps, gets up, attends a day of business, goes back to the hotel, sleeps again, gets up the next day and flies home, not getting back until most of the third day is shot.
    Fly there, do your meeting, and fly back. Same day. Be home with your family that very evening. A private plane makes that even easier.
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    The train could combine the travel and the hotel room.
    No hotel room needed with a one day business trip.
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    The worker arrives at the train station near the end of the day, boards, has a nice meal, some entertainment, sleeps in a private cabin for the night, gets up at the destination, has breakfast, attends the day of business, returns to the train station, boards, has a nice meal, some entertainment, sleeps in a private cabin, arrives the next day back at origination ready for work again.
    You could always ride your horse to work too. Saddle up your good buddy, enjoy the sun as you trot along the road to your job, get their by the time everyone else is going to lunch, get fired for showing up late, and trot back home to enjoy your retirement, then get fined by the city for leaving horse droppings everywhere.
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    3 days shot with the "quicker" air travel, compared to 1 day for the far more comfortable train trip.
    You are reversing your own numbers.
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    The road warrior with a brain would prefer the train.
    Is they why most of them fly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,



    Workers doing that would love to have the train option with the chance to sleep in a real bed and take a shower. The freedom to move about during travel is so much more relaxing. Also, train schedules are less impacted by weather, thus more reliable. In some nations, clocks can be set by the arrival of trains. American flyers are well acquainted with planes being behind schedule, having to run through the airport with the carry-on to make a connection. Nobody likes being crammed into those tiny airplane seats either. Convicts, Cattle and Sardines. That's the experience. First, it's assume the position, as if a Convict, then get herded down the chutes like a Cattle Call toward the plane. Finally get packed in the aluminum sausage like Sardines. Not a chance a big guy even fits in a 'seatlet.' His shoulders imposing upon whomever is unlucky enough to occupy the next seat. Hope he doesn't smell bad. Only 'special' people can afford the upgrade. Most are in third class. 'Comfortable' is not an apt description. Sardines.

    People would relish a better traveling experience.

    Ask Joe Biden about trains.
    Take a train if you want (assuming there IS one going where you need to go). You don't get to dictate what mode of transportation people are going to use. You are not the king. The market decides. You don't. Most business people fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Joe Biden would favor efficient modern trains.
    Hiding Joe doesn't get to decide what people will use for transportation. He is not the king.
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    Joe Biden understands their value.
    Joe understands very little. You should see him without a teleprompter. Even WITH a teleprompter he manages to fuck up.
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    Joe Biden rode the train to work every day in Congress after his wife and small daughter were killed in a car wreck so he could take care of his grieved small children who lost their mother.
    So?
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    They called him 'Amtrak Joe,' and he did this for years, out of total family dedication so he could be home every night and be a good Dad.
    A commuter train is not replacing air travel. Special pleading fallacy.

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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    So, he's an outmoded politician in favor of an outmoded transportation system...? Nice.

    The value of (passenger) trains is summed up in a picture....

    Looks like a construction project in progress, building a better tomorrow. Like we could be with high speed trains. Better. More options. More efficient. More comfortable. More reliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Looks like a construction project in progress, building a better tomorrow. Like we could be with high speed trains. Better. More options. More efficient. More comfortable. More reliable.
    It's a bit of the remains of the failed California multi-billion dollar boondoggle high speed rail route through the Imperial Valley. It went from a planned $33 billion to $77 billion and the bits completed amounted to less than 5% of the route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    But none of those is contained in working scientific paper extrapolations based on data of current observable trends.
    ... nor is anything you wrote. The totally undefined has no power to do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    California is up to 25 deaths from the Human-Caused Climate Change Wildfires.

    "A new analysis published this week by the National Bureau of Economic Research suggests that, if left unchecked, climate change could drive temperatures up to the point where they would lead to 85 deaths per 100,000 people globally per year by the end of the century. That’s more than are currently killed by all infectious diseases across the globe."

    Time: Climate Change Could Cause More Annual Deaths Than Infectious Disease by 2100
    Bullshit..........Climate change my ass............5 gallon gasoline can armed arsonist terrorists have been caught red handed starting many of these fires....and then released by Soros funded DAs to go back on the rampage again. One individual was caught....released and then charged with starting at least 5 more fires.



    Even with the spinning coming from leftist news sources....the truth comes out usually near the end of the article after they have spent 95% of the article declaring We are not seeing any indications of a MASS politically influenced arson campaign, but......"A number of wildfires in Washington, Oregon, and California are now being considered ARSON....and several ARSONISTS are already in jail - while there are others on the run." SPIN BABY SPIN. Yeah those systematic racist police are guilty of conspiracy..... Climate change? It could never be the fact that the federal dollars donated via US TAXPAYERS across the nation was misused and none of these left wing managed forests have been managed correctly for almost 3 decades now in allowing the brush undergrowth to go unchecked......making these unmanaged forests nothing but dried out match boxes just waiting for a spark and the proper wind. Now these winds that come every year are due to climate change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    California is up to 25 deaths from the Human-Caused Climate Change Wildfires.

    "A new analysis published this week by the National Bureau of Economic Research suggests that, if left unchecked, climate change could drive temperatures up to the point where they would lead to 85 deaths per 100,000 people globally per year by the end of the century. Thatís more than are currently killed by all infectious diseases across the globe."

    Time: Climate Change Could Cause More Annual Deaths Than Infectious Disease by 2100
    This one is so full of shit, it's almost a continuous stream of brown stuff!
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    80,000 Americans died and 900,000 were hospitalised just two years ago from flu including the most virulent Type A version of H3N2, so why didn't you arseholes call for the total destruction of the world's economic system then? I hope you have plenty of time to ponder over that when you all lose your houses, jobs and relationships!

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    Climate change. LMFAO. I think the citrus growers may want to have a word with this bright bulb.
    Why Trump? Because Fuck You that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Try for over 200 years. Coal burning for heat started as early as the 15th century and widespread use occurred by the beginning of the 19th Century.



    A bit more of nothing is still nothing. The percentage in the Earth's atmosphere is less than 1% CO2-- well less than one-percent.

    More like 0.04% to be precise.

    Correlation doesn't mean causation necessarily

    Same thing.

    In some places. In others glaciers are growing.

    Has been about 2 to 3 mm per year. That's really nothing.

    Again, linking this to anthropomorphic causes is tenuous at best.

    This hasn't happened. The number of these has remained relatively constant over longer periods including the present.

    They also told us that if we stopped using CFC's the hole in the ozone layer at the South Pole would disappear. We did, and it's now well past their predication of closure date but the hole's still there...
    Just remember...
    Plate tectonics was discovered in the 1950's
    The Van Allen belt was discovered in the late 50's
    We didn't know what the bottom of the oceans looked like in the 1940's

    What we don't know is a vast amount of stuff. What we do know isn't and much of it is of recent orgin.

    Not due to Gorebal Warming. Due to fires coming to where people are.

    By the way, ponder this:

    The Gorebal Warming crowd tells us this warming started in earnest in the 1950's or 60's and has accelerated. Aircraft produced contrails started occurring in the 1940's and have expanded to where they create a near permanent haze over most of the Northern Hemisphere year round now. Water is a much better greenhouse gas than CO2. The albedo of the planet changed with increased cloud cover. Cloud cover acts as a much better insulator trapping heat longer than CO2 does.

    Fixing this would require simple and cheap changes to air travel, but it wouldn't aid a political agenda based on Gorebal Warming...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    California is up to 25 deaths from the Human-Caused Climate Change Wildfires.

    "A new analysis published this week by the National Bureau of Economic Research suggests that, if left unchecked, climate change could drive temperatures up to the point where they would lead to 85 deaths per 100,000 people globally per year by the end of the century. Thatís more than are currently killed by all infectious diseases across the globe."

    Time: Climate Change Could Cause More Annual Deaths Than Infectious Disease by 2100
    This one is so full of shit, it's almost a continuous stream of brown stuff!
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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    It's a bit of the remains of the failed California multi-billion dollar boondoggle high speed rail route through the Imperial Valley. It went from a planned $33 billion to $77 billion and the bits completed amounted to less than 5% of the route.
    Too bad. High Speed Rail would revolutionize travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Too bad. High Speed Rail would revolutionize travel.
    Yea, all the way back to 1900 only faster...

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    Hello T. A. Gardner,

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Yea, all the way back to 1900 only faster...
    Back when America was great again?

    We don't know, exactly, what is meant by that.

    Trump never specified when, exactly, America 'was' great.

    What year?

    What decade?

    Why can't that question be answered?

    What? Are all those Trump supporters just chasing an ambiguous slogan that can mean anything you want it to mean?

    I have to wonder when the Black supporters of the president think things were 'great' for THEM?

    How about you?

    What does that mean to you?

    1900?

    1950?

    1968?

    1982?

    When do YOU think America 'was' great?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,


    Back when America was great again?
    Back where there were no labor laws, most people were illiterate, and the average life expectancy was about 45.

    We don't know, exactly, what is meant by that.

    Trump never specified when, exactly, America 'was' great.

    What year?
    1945 to about 1960?

    What decade?

    Why can't that question be answered?
    Does it need to be? It's a good campaign slogan. A lot better than "Build back better" whatever the hell that means. Or, Biden's favorite personal slogan, "I'm the guy..." That one is like listening to sea stories or amateur fishermen talk...


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