Originally Posted by
T. A. Gardner
Try for over 200 years. Coal burning for heat started as early as the 15th century and widespread use occurred by the beginning of the 19th Century.
A bit more of nothing is still nothing. The percentage in the Earth's atmosphere is less than 1% CO2-- well less than one-percent.
Correlation doesn't mean causation necessarily
Same thing.
In some places. In others glaciers are growing.
Has been about 2 to 3 mm per year. That's really nothing.
Again, linking this to anthropomorphic causes is tenuous at best.
This hasn't happened. The number of these has remained relatively constant over longer periods including the present.
They also told us that if we stopped using CFC's the hole in the ozone layer at the South Pole would disappear. We did, and it's now well past their predication of closure date but the hole's still there...
Just remember...
Plate tectonics was discovered in the 1950's
The Van Allen belt was discovered in the late 50's
We didn't know what the bottom of the oceans looked like in the 1940's
What we don't know is a vast amount of stuff. What we do know isn't and much of it is of recent orgin.
Not due to Gorebal Warming. Due to fires coming to where people are.
By the way, ponder this:
The Gorebal Warming crowd tells us this warming started in earnest in the 1950's or 60's and has accelerated. Aircraft produced contrails started occurring in the 1940's and have expanded to where they create a near permanent haze over most of the Northern Hemisphere year round now. Water is a much better greenhouse gas than CO2. The albedo of the planet changed with increased cloud cover. Cloud cover acts as a much better insulator trapping heat longer than CO2 does.
Fixing this would require simple and cheap changes to air travel, but it wouldn't aid a political agenda based on Gorebal Warming...
You've made the best possible points for your position, given what you have to work with. I would add that there is a great lag effect between cause and effect, which explains the more drastic recent climate changes in respect to the long period of time over which CO2 has been building.
Bottom line here is that most people are fairly well convinced, including most scientists. But, as you have shown, there are reasons to support doubt. Nothing can be proved. Most of the world is pretty sure, but there is the slim bit of doubt, which you have raised well.
Given that we are not sure and can't prove it, the best course of action is the safe route. Because of the lag effect, we can't know until years / decades after actions. For that reason we would be foolish to assume we have nothing to worry about. We have to assume the worst, because there is no planet B. That is the wise course.
If we change our energy over, then we get lots of clean new energy that doesn't pollute, and it is virtually inexhaustible. The more we do, the lower the cost gets. If we continue with old tech, we eventually run out of easy to extract fossil fuels. The price goes higher and higher. But the worst case is that we assume we don't have to deal with this, and then it turns out we were wrong. Then we are totally screwed and our planet becomes far less habitable, causing mass migrations, sea level rise which inundates major cities, and widespread death among humans with major species loss.
That was 4 years ago.
Good news: Through stark determination and opposition, environmental activists were able to end BP's plan to drill off one of the most inhospitable places on Earth, where a clean up would be impossible. BP gave it up. Problem is, now that BP gave it up, other oil exploration companies have been making inquiries to see if they might be able to succeed where BP failed. The quest to save the planet from greed never ends.
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