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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    The Russians have you by the short and curlies.
    Well, at least I'm still on the same planet as them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Wrong. The single stand out is Cuomo's and De Blasio's inept, irresponsible, and downright stupid responses to this problem. LA with a higher population density than NYC, every bit as much travel going through it, and nearly the same population didn't suffer more than a small fraction of NYC's deaths, cases, and had none of the problems associated with that. This falls squarely on incompetent leadership putting politics ahead of the population's welfare.



    It isn't a mystery. Incompetent leadership followed by incompetent government caused the problem, nothing else. If it didn't then other large cities that are international hubs would have suffered something equivalent. But none of them did. Not Chicago, not Milwaukee (yes, it is a international flight hub), not LA, not San Fran. Other top US cities didn't come close, not Chicago, not Houston, not LA, and certainly not Phoenix.



    No they haven't. They just killed off everyone highly susceptible to it. I guess that's one way to stop the spread...
    The bolded is really faulty logic. You're assuming all other factors are exactly equal, and it's an apples-to-apples comparison.

    If the virus came in to NYC from Europe (which is extremely likely), it immediately separates NYC from the rest.

    The results speak for themselves. After getting hit the hardest initially, NY led the nation in limiting the spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    It's funny that you guys think this matters.

    Just like you all don't care that Trump lies with every other sentence, we don't care about Biden's occasional harmless gaffe. At all.
    So you like Biden's hairy legs, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    As an answer to the suggestion he isn't qualified to argue science with a scientist, Trump said: "I have an instinct for science."

    Give me Biden.
    You already HAVE Biden as your candidate. Pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    The bolded is really faulty logic. You're assuming all other factors are exactly equal, and it's an apples-to-apples comparison.

    If the virus came in to NYC from Europe (which is extremely likely), it immediately separates NYC from the rest.

    The results speak for themselves. After getting hit the hardest initially, NY led the nation in limiting the spread.
    There are direct flights from Europe to LA, Milwaukee, Chicago, Phoenix, Dallas Fort Worth, among other large cities. Direct flights.

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/t...tional-flights

    So, that amounts to little more than a lame excuse.

    After getting hit hard, New York made massive errors and stupid moves. From moving COVID patients into nursing homes with non-COVID elderly people, to turning down all sorts of federal aid simply because it was Trump offering it, to confused responses on how to stop the spread, New York's leadership displayed massive incompetence. That's why they lead the nation in cases and deaths far outstripping elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    The Left trusts Dr. Fauci


    Why?
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    Biden lied

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    To quote JPPs deep thinker, "Fuck You, that's why, snowflake"

    We are taking ALL the power away and we don't give a fuck about you people anymore. You elected a stupid criminal.

    End of conversation.
    Void argument fallacy. Bulverism fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    You already HAVE Biden as your candidate. Pathetic.
    As President, nitwit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    There are direct flights from Europe to LA, Milwaukee, Chicago, Phoenix, Dallas Fort Worth, among other large cities. Direct flights.

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/t...tional-flights

    So, that amounts to little more than a lame excuse.

    After getting hit hard, New York made massive errors and stupid moves. From moving COVID patients into nursing homes with non-COVID elderly people, to turning down all sorts of federal aid simply because it was Trump offering it, to confused responses on how to stop the spread, New York's leadership displayed massive incompetence. That's why they lead the nation in cases and deaths far outstripping elsewhere.
    They're close to 100% that it came in through NYC.

    No one avoids initial mistakes w/ a new virus. Leaders LEARN from those, and adjust.

    The results are absolutely indisputable. After getting hit hard initially, NY followed CDC guidelines and was the best state in the nation by summer in terms of limiting spread.

    Why is that so hard for people to admit, and point to as an example to follow? How will we ever make progress if people are so political that they can't admit when something has been successful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    I will say one thing about New Yorkers. They can be 100% wrong and never admit it.
    You are always 100 % wrong and never admit it. They should make you king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Well, not really, if you want to get into it. Cuomo was following the guidelines at that time.

    NYC has the highest death rate because it's the largest & most traveled city in the world. It also has one of the highest population densities in the world.

    I'm always mystified when people point to someplace like South Dakota and try to make some sort of red state/blue state argument. Big cities are bad for pandemics.
    These rates are per 100,000 people, dumbass. It doesn't matter the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Cuomo was THE MOST EFFECTIVE GOVERNOR when it came to reducing the spread.
    Is that why the infection rates and death rates coming out of New York City are so high?
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    It makes complete sense to most rational people that NYC was hit hardest at the start.
    It wasn't.
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    Despite all of your links above, it was 100% one of the most conducive areas in the country for virus spread. How can anyone even dispute that?
    Why? Because of the rats? The crime? The high taxes? The boarded up businesses?
    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    But since that 1st month, NY became an example for the rest of the nation to follow. By summer, they led the nation - like #1 - in limiting the spread. Because Cuomo and local leaders actually followed CDC guidelines.
    So...boarded up businesses, uncontrolled riots, violence, vandalism, and arsons, the high taxes, etc. are something you desire? Move to New York City then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Well, I guess you guys don't understand "one of," and also don't factor in NYC's huge commuting population.

    Regardless - it is hardly a mystery why there was huge initial spread there, and not in Alabama or South Dakota. Basic logic here.

    NY has handled COVID better than anyone since that 1st month. That is also indisputable.
    Denial of logic. You are hallucinating again. Put down the bong, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post


    ^Anything and everything to be in denial about how badly Trump fucked this up. From pure lies, to bullshit, to even writing the CDC guidelines (instead of CDC scientists) and trying to pass that off as if CDC wrote them.
    The CDC does not have any scientists. Government bureaucrats are not scientists. Not even Dr Fauci is a scientist. He is a government employee. He has created no theory of science.

    Science isn't scientists. It isn't even people at all. It is a set of falsifiable theories.

    Masks do not stop a virus.
    6 feet does not stop a virus.
    At least 99.97% of the population does not have Covid19. They cannot spread this virus.
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