Trump deliberately sows confusion about COVID

[midcan5]

Since it was asked, one must also ask why someone would vote for this man? Donnie may love you, see down.

"What is patriotism? Let us begin with what patriotism is not. It is not patriotic to dodge the draft and to mock war heroes and their families. It is not patriotic to discriminate against active-duty members of the armed forces in one's companies, or to campaign to keep disabled veterans away from one's property. It is not patriotic to compare one's search for sexual partners in New York with the military service in Vietnam that one has dodged. It is not patriotic to avoid paying taxes, especially when American working families do pay. It is not patriotic to ask those working, taxpaying American families to finance one's own presidential campaign, and then to spend their contributions in one's own companies. It is not patriotic to admire foreign dictators. It is not patriotic to cultivate a relationship with Muammar Gaddafi; or to say that Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are superior leaders. It is not patriotic to call upon Russia to intervene in an American presidential election. It is not patriotic to cite Russian propaganda at rallies." Timothy Snyder 'On Tyranny'

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny


'100 Ways, in 100 Days, that Trump Has Hurt Americans'

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...urt-americans/


"Cold, grasping, bleak, graceless, and dull; unctuous, sleek, pitiless, and crass; a pallid vulgarian floating through life on clouds of acrid cologne and trailed by a vanguard of fawning divorce lawyers, the devil is probably eerily similar to Donald Trump though perhaps just a little nicer."

https://www.firstthings.com/web-excl...lee-at-parties


"I love the uneducated." Donald John Trump

[Iolo/Penderyn]

If, as all the trumpers suggest, your President has no political powers whatever and didn't cause the huge death-rate, for God's sake get rid of the useless bugger and save some money.

[Code1211]

This is leadership?

The latest contradiction w/ the head of the CDC is just the most recent example. But from the start, he has knowingly deceived the public every step of the way: about how serious the threat was, about the #'s, about the timeline for a vaccine, about various treatments, about masks, disinfectant, shutdowns, and every other aspect of this pandemic.

And polls are now showing the results: Americans describe themselves as confused, and not knowing who or what to believe.

People don't want to hear it, and I won't use the "H" word - but this is straight out of every dictator wannabe's playbook. Confusing the public + discrediting all other sources of information = increased reliance on you.

The confusion is only in the minds of those that are either stupid or propagandists.

The members of the White House Press corp, in the majority, fall into both categories.

Your example of the President disagreeing with the obviously wrong statement from the CDC is a good example of TDS. I wonder if the CDC could treat that...

The predicted completion and issuance of the vaccine is pegged as October or soon afterward in 2020, not late in 2021. This is accelerated from the would be normal distribution date of 2022 or 2023.

The President was honest and open in his statement regarding the confused or simply wrong statement from Dr. Redfield.

The simple truths are these:

The 100 million doses that will be available immediately upon approval will be used for those folks. Others will get them as the prioritization is established.

Covid kills people in very specific target groups. Age 60 and up comprise 90% of all Covid deaths. Front line workers and those who are old need the vaccinations first.

People age 40 and younger are pretty much bullet proof absent severe underlying conditions. Death rate in that general group, with or without underlying conditions, is about 1% of all deaths.

The median age of Covid fatality is over 75 years.

We have, over the last nine months learned a great deal about how this virus works, who it attacks and who it kills. We have also leaned a lot about our politicians and their dishonesty.

Don't you just LOVE how ALL of the Democrat-Socialists are suddenly experts on what we need to do while they lie with every breath, shut down with no reason and fear monger?

[dukkha]

It is not patriotic to cultivate a relationship with Muammar Gaddafi; or to say that Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are superior leaders.

such crap.
Killing Qaddafi has brought Libya to it's knees -now a prolonged stalemated civil war.
Assad is not an Islamist -doesn't support terrorists.
Putin is a rational actor -if China can deal with Russia, we sure as well can too

[Callinectes]

fuck off

[Walt]

Again, you’re banking on independents accepting all that and it’s not exactly a logical necessity.

There really do not seem to be many independents left. The electorate is barely moving in either direction. Both trump's successes and failures barely change things. trump has had some of the biggest failures in history, and he has said some of the oddest things any president ever has, and that barely changed any minds.

Biden is in the lead, not by much, but definitely in the lead. So we really do not need to move the needle at all. trump is driving up Biden's supporters likelihood to vote, and driving down the likelihood of trump's reluctant supporters to vote. I think Biden might do a percent or two better than we think.

blah blah blah

You whine that it is not trump's fault that he failed so badly. That is the way you justify not caring about trump's failure.

It really does not matter. trump needs more votes to win, and whining his failures are not his fault is not getting you those more votes. It is only securing you the already losing number of votes.

[Walt]

The predicted completion and issuance of the vaccine is pegged as October or soon afterward in 2020, not late in 2021. This is accelerated from the would be normal distribution date of 2022 or 2023.

A new vaccine would normally take 10 years to develop and distribute, so it would normally be 2030. Many of these are more novel vaccines, so would take 20 years or more, so that would be 2040.

With a lot of work, there is a possibility, but not a likelihood, of early 2021. Late 2021 would be more realistic. October is a sick joke by a pathetic old orange man.

The 100 million doses that will be available immediately upon approval will be used for those folks.

If it turns out to be the easiest of the vaccines to produce, then we could have 100 million doses by early 2021. The odds of the easiest vaccine working are very low.

There is a lot of evidence that the vaccine will not work well. So vaccinating those in greatest danger will not do much. You need to target the most likely to transmit the disease in order to try to stop the spread.

People age 40 and younger are pretty much bullet proof absent severe underlying conditions.

The two big underlying conditions would be not having access to universal healthcare, and being overweight. That describes Americans.

[Walt]

Assad is not an Islamist -doesn't support terrorists.

Assad is an ally of Iran.

[Darth Omar]

There really do not seem to be many independents left. The electorate is barely moving in either direction. Both trump's successes and failures barely change things. trump has had some of the biggest failures in history, and he has said some of the oddest things any president ever has, and that barely changed any minds.

Biden is in the lead, not by much, but definitely in the lead. So we really do not need to move the needle at all. trump is driving up Biden's supporters likelihood to vote, and driving down the likelihood of trump's reluctant supporters to vote. I think Biden might do a percent or two better than we think.



You whine that it is not trump's fault that he failed so badly. That is the way you justify not caring about trump's failure.

It really does not matter. trump needs more votes to win, and whining his failures are not his fault is not getting you those more votes. It is only securing you the already losing number of votes.

You’re still counting on Alt-Walt’s mere insistence that Trump owns *this economy* when it was shutdown on the state and local level.

You kind of have ‘to want to believe that’ since one is required to ignore some very relevant facts in order to make it a true statement.

I see absolutely no guarantee that will even trick every democrat voter.

[BartenderElite]

You’re still counting on Alt-Walt’s mere insistence that Trump owns *this economy* when it was shutdown on the state and local level.

You kind of have ‘to want to believe that’ since one is required to ignore some very relevant facts in order to make it a true statement.

I see absolutely no guarantee that will even trick every democrat voter.

It's not a trick. Presidents get credit for the economy, good or bad. People vote their wallets.

I disagree w/ your premise anyway, but even if true, people don't care about nuances related to various localities or local leaders.

[Darth Omar]

It's not a trick. Presidents get credit for the economy, good or bad. People vote their wallets.

I disagree w/ your premise anyway, but even if true, people don't care about nuances related to various localities or local leaders.

Your first statement is generally true.

The problem is that to call this an ordinary circumstance is a bit of an understatement. It wasn’t like the economy crashed due to some action by Trump or even Republicans in Congress.

It was crashed *willfully and purposefully* on the state and local level. And it’s still being held back in some areas by local governments—almost exclusively run by democrats.

I started a thread about the democrat mayor in Nashville withholding public information from the public; ostensibly, because the case data coming from bars and restaurants ‘was too low’.

This is not a good look, at all. And if Democrats are expecting the Trump Virus meme to carry Harris-Biden to the WH—they may be in for a rude awakening come November.

[BartenderElite]

Your first statement is generally true.

The problem is that to call this an ordinary circumstance is a bit of an understatement. It wasn’t like the economy crashed due to some action by Trump or even Republicans in Congress.

It was crashed *willfully and purposefully* on the state and local level. And it’s still being held back in some areas by local governments—almost exclusively run by democrats.

I started a thread about the democrat mayor in Nashville withholding public information from the public; ostensibly, because the case data coming from bars and restaurants ‘was too low’.

This is not a good look, at all. And if Democrats are expecting the Trump Virus meme to carry Harris-Biden to the WH—they may be in for a rude awakening come November.

I posted in that thread. That story has been COMPLETELY debunked. Oh, well.

And your whole thing about locals crashing it "willfully and purposefully" is for the base crowd only.

[Darth Omar]

I posted in that thread. That story has been COMPLETELY debunked. Oh, well.

And your whole thing about locals crashing it "willfully and purposefully" is for the base crowd only.

You’re denying that the economy was shut down by the governors?

[BartenderElite]

You’re denying that the economy was shut down by the governors?

The WHOLE economy?

Some pockets were - but with Trump's support. Everyone knew the reasons for shutting down.

With Trump, he's on tape now - he downplayed this willfully to the public. That very likely increased the spread, and required more of an overreaction. His hands are all over this.

[Darth Omar]

The WHOLE economy?

Some pockets were - but with Trump's support. Everyone knew the reasons for shutting down.

With Trump, he's on tape now - he downplayed this willfully to the public. That very likely increased the spread, and required more of an overreaction. His hands are all over this.

No wiggling out it.

Was the economy shut down by Trump or on the state and local levels?