Evangelicals and Trump

[midcan5]

Trump has shown some amazing things about religion in America and particularly Evangelicals when it comes to political power. You would think Trump Christ-like. But I fail to remember Christ being in favor of caging children or breaking up families. Did I miss that? Two pieces below help, it isn't about being religious, is it? What then of religion? Has it lost its holiness, its goodness. Was it ever about being good.

'How the evangelical movement became Trump's "bitch" — and yes, I know what that word signifies'

'As an evangelical myself, I can see how far the movement has sunk — even to betraying its own ideal of masculinity'

https://www.salon.com/2020/09/09/how...ord-signifies/


"His most notable advice for interacting with half the human population is "grab 'em by the pussy". Who could have predicted such an alliance?"

Climate too. Why not pray away hurricanes floods and fires, poverty too while they are at it. Interesting how the mixture of politics and religion accomplishes so little good.

'Faith and politics mix to drive evangelical Christians’ climate change denial'

https://theconversation.com/faith-an...-denial-143145

'Climate science denial may stem more from politics than religion'

'Social scientist Dan Kahan rejects the idea of an automatic link between religiosity and any anti-science bias. He argues that religiosity only incidentally tracks science denial because some scientific findings have become “culturally antagonistic” to some identity groups.'


"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." Matthew 6:24

[Trumpet]

Religion has become an enterprise in this country.

[PostmodernProphet]

do some people really still believe that humans have caused climate change?........why do they still deny science?.......

[Jack]

Jesus Freaks have endorsed the Anti-Christ.

[Iolo/Penderyn]

What on earth have the American Evangelicals to do with Jesus of Nazareth? They have never read the New Testament, and all they worship is money.

[Jack]

What on earth have the American Evangelicals to do with Jesus of Nazareth? They have never read the New Testament, and all they worship is money.

It's all in The Two Corinthians, Penderyn. (at least that's what I've been told by Trump)

[ThatOwlWoman]

What on earth have the American Evangelicals to do with Jesus of Nazareth? They have never read the New Testament, and all they worship is money.

They have turned into the Pharisees that Jesus battled against.

[midcan5]

I would like to see some of the church leaders come out against Trump and what he is doing to children. But I don't see it anywhere?

"“It’s a very sad, dark chapter of our history,” says Jacob Soboroff, who was among the first journalists to report on the Trump administration’s family separation policy."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/b...-soboroff.html

'Separated: Inside An American Tragedy'

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49604006-separated

[Bill]

do some people really still believe that humans have caused climate change?........why do they still deny science?.......

WOW!!!! What a perfect example of exactly what the OP was saying................

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[Bill]

They have turned into the Pharisees that Jesus battled against.

AMEN!!!!!!

[Bill]

I would like to see some of the church leaders come out against Trump and what he is doing to children. But I don't see it anywhere?

"“It’s a very sad, dark chapter of our history,” says Jacob Soboroff, who was among the first journalists to report on the Trump administration’s family separation policy."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/b...-soboroff.html

'Separated: Inside An American Tragedy'

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49604006-separated

I posted a thread & several have come out, although individuals will have to decide on their "leadership"..........

They would probably rather follow son of saint falwell & the ilk.
Who are #1 political & Christ like somewhere down the list & good luck finding it....

[PostmodernProphet]

WOW!!!! What a perfect example of exactly what the OP was saying................

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ohoh.....sounds like Bill needs to do a bit of catching up........his mind is still stuck in the 80s.....

[Bill]

ohoh.....sounds like Bill needs to do a bit of catching up........his mind is still stuck in the 80s.....

[PostmodernProphet]

get thee behind me Satan

if you would stop sucking his dick he wouldn't be in front of you.......

[Bill]

if you would stop sucking his dick he wouldn't be in front of you.......

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Jeremiah 17:9 ESV / 107 helpful votes
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John 3:16 ESV / 101 helpful votes
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1 Peter 4:7 ESV / 93 helpful votes
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1 John 2:15 ESV / 76 helpful votes
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2 Corinthians 4:18 ESV / 74 helpful votes
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1 Corinthians 3:16 ESV / 70 helpful votes
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Proverbs 21:20 ESV / 70 helpful votes
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Jeremiah 17:10 ESV / 67 helpful votes
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Colossians 3:20 ESV / 57 helpful votes
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Proverbs 22:7 ESV / 56 helpful votes
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Galatians 5:16 ESV / 54 helpful votes
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Proverbs 13:22 ESV / 54 helpful votes
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2 John 1:2 ESV / 51 helpful votes
Because of the truth that abides in us and will be with us forever:

Romans 5:1-21 ESV / 48 helpful votes
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Luke 12:15 ESV / 48 helpful votes
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1 Peter 3:13 ESV / 45 helpful votes
Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good?

1 John 2:17 ESV / 44 helpful votes
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Matthew 25:15 ESV / 43 helpful votes
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John 14:27 ESV / 41 helpful votes
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Luke 14:28 ESV / 41 helpful votes
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Hebrews 11:1 ESV / 39 helpful votes
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

1 John 2:16 ESV / 38 helpful votes
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Matthew 6:33 ESV / 38 helpful votes
But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

John 16:33 ESV / 37 helpful votes
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John 14:1 ESV / 37 helpful votes
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1 John 3:1 ESV / 34 helpful votes
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1 Peter 5:7 ESV / 34 helpful votes
Casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you.

Matthew 6:24 ESV / 34 helpful votes
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2 Peter 1:4 ESV / 33 helpful votes
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James 1:27 ESV / 33 helpful votes
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Colossians 3:5 ESV / 33 helpful votes
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1 John 5:19 ESV / 32 helpful votes
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

1 Peter 5:8 ESV / 32 helpful votes
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

1 Peter 5:6 ESV / 32 helpful votes
Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you,

Romans 3:12 ESV / 31 helpful votes
All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.”

Philippians 4:8 ESV / 28 helpful votes
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Galatians 2:20 ESV / 28 helpful votes
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Luke 1:37 ESV / 28 helpful votes
For nothing will be impossible with God.”

Revelation 21:1 ESV / 27 helpful votes
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1 John 5:4 ESV / 27 helpful votes
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James 1:17 ESV / 27 helpful votes
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2 Timothy 1:7 ESV / 27 helpful votes
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Romans 8:18 ESV / 26 helpful votes
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John 8:12 ESV / 26 helpful votes
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Amos 6:1 ESV / 26 helpful votes
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Revelation 1:1-20 ESV / 25 helpful votes
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Luke 8:14 ESV / 25 helpful votes
And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature.

Proverbs 25:27 ESV / 25 helpful votes
It is not good to eat much honey, nor is it glorious to seek one's own glory.

Proverbs 11:28 ESV / 25 helpful votes
Whoever trusts in his riches will fall, but the righteous will flourish like a green leaf.

Romans 5:8 ESV / 24 helpful votes
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Romans 1:20 ESV / 24 helpful votes
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Matthew 5:16 ESV / 24 helpful votes
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Psalm 101:3 ESV / 24 helpful votes
I will not set before my eyes anything that is worthless. I hate the work of those who fall away; it shall not cling to me.

1 John 4:5 ESV / 23 helpful votes
They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.

2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV / 23 helpful votes
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Romans 12:1-2 ESV / 23 helpful votes
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John 15:19 ESV / 23 helpful votes
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

Matthew 6:19 ESV / 23 helpful votes
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal,

Jeremiah 29:11 ESV / 23 helpful votes
For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

1 Corinthians 6:19 ESV / 22 helpful votes
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,

Luke 16:13 ESV / 22 helpful votes
No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.”

1 Corinthians 3:18 ESV / 21 helpful votes
Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.

Romans 8:28 ESV / 21 helpful votes
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

Matthew 13:22 ESV / 20 helpful votes
As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.

1 John 2:2 ESV / 19 helpful votes
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Colossians 3:1 ESV / 19 helpful votes
If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Ephesians 2:2 ESV / 19 helpful votes
In which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—

1 John 1:9 ESV / 18 helpful votes
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

James 1:12 ESV / 18 helpful votes
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

Matthew 22:37 ESV / 18 helpful votes
And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.

Ephesians 3:20 ESV / 16 helpful votes
Now to him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think, according to the power at work within us,

1 Corinthians 1:18 ESV / 16 helpful votes
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

John 3:16-17 ESV / 16 helpful votes
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Philippians 3:20 ESV / 15 helpful votes
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

Mark 8:36 ESV / 15 helpful votes
For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?

Colossians 3:23 ESV / 14 helpful votes
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,

Galatians 5:22-23 ESV / 14 helpful votes
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

1 Peter 3:18-20 ESV / 13 helpful votes
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

James 1:3 ESV / 13 helpful votes
For you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness.

1 Timothy 6:7-8 ESV / 13 helpful votes
For we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content.

2 Corinthians 10:3 ESV / 13 helpful votes
For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh.

Philippians 4:6 ESV / 12 helpful votes
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

1 Corinthians 1:28-29 ESV / 12 helpful votes
God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.