Holocaust denial poll results

[LV426]

If the record could be straightened, please.
The ' Holocaust ' is the term applied to the Nazi program of liquidating ALL of the minority groups and other people that it wanted rid of, colored folk, gays, Gypsies, communists, whoever. Modern research indicates that up to 20 million were systematically murdered, six million of whom were Jewish.
Of the other fourteen million victims the Gypsies refer to their own suffering as ' The Devouring '.
The Jewish victims refer to the horrors inflicted upon Jews as ' The Shoa '.

The point of reminding people of this is that it is incorrect to associate the Holocaust with Jews without acknowledging up to fourteen million other victims.
Those that want to discuss the industrial-scale slaughter strictly in terms of the Jewish victims should use the term ' Shoa ', as Jews do.

Important point.

[Sailor]

We have one on this board that does that regularly...

With many Democrats and liberals thanking him for those posts.

[Irish]

No, it's because "very fine people" only want to teach the good parts of history, not the bad. That's why they protect Confederate monuments.

The Venn Diagram of Holocaust deniers and Confederate Statue lovers is a perfect circle.

Making stuff up again.

[Minister of Truth]

Attempted Whataboutism.
I literally have met zero people who blame people of the Jewish religion for terrorism. There are people who believe rightwing governments in the state of Israel commit war crimes on Palestinian civilians.

In contrast, I have run across many, real actual Nazi anti Semites on message boards and in RL

Every single anti-Israel person that I knew in HS (2000-2004) blamed Israel exclusively for ME terrorism. This did not subside in college/grad school. As the left has only become more anti-Israel during the past decade, this has probably not changed for the better. Also, if Israel elected a POS socialist government tomorrow, it would not lead to capitulation in the face of its enemies.

[Minister of Truth]

This is precisely why we need more federalization of education. Leaving it up to the states is lazy recklessness. Clearly, anti-federalization is failing education.

We have more national control than ever before. With increasingly bad results over the past forty years.

[LV426]

We have more national control than ever before. With increasingly bad results over the past forty years.

Oh we do? So can you then direct me toward a teacher, any teacher, that is employed through the Department of Education and not through a state system?

The DoE doesn't employ a single teacher.

[Minister of Truth]

Nonsense, and laughable. So, you’re actually telling us you were raised to believe the Jews are to blame for ME terrorize when for 14 years you have blamed the Muslims?

Yes, that is what I was taught.

[Minister of Truth]

Oh we do? So can you then direct me toward a teacher, any teacher, that is employed through the Department of Education and not through a state system?

The DoE doesn't employ a single teacher.

We created the DoE under Carter. The average SAT scores peaked in 1962. Things have been going awry for some time.

[Mason Melchizedek]

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[Phantasmal]

Yes, that is what I was taught.

The USA has been pro Israel, forever, I find your claim hard to believe.

[LV426]

We created the DoE under Carter. The average SAT scores peaked in 1962. Things have been going awry for some time.

Again, by all means, show me how the DOE controls state school systems.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

[Cypress]

So what? There have been tons of mass murders throughout history, why should only the Holocaust matter?
How many people can name the gulag camps?

I can name the Gulag camps my uncles were put in. Most of them ended up in the Vorkuta camp system.

No one ignores the Gulag - I probably have more posts about it here than anyone.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...17#post3295317

As cruel as the Gulag was, there is a very fundamental distinction between it and the Holocaust: the Gulag was intended for forced labor, not mass murder.

People may have died in the Gulag due to extreme climate, illness, lack of medical treatment. But Stalin wanted slave labor. His goal was not to murder Gulag inmates. To the best of my knowlege, all my relatives who were sentenced to the Gulag survived. The Gulag was a crime against humanity, but I never conflate it with the holocaust.

The Nazi death camps were clinically engineered and operated for one purpose: industrial scale mass murder of Europe's Jews. That kind of industrial scale mass murder is unprecedented in human history.

[Cypress]

Every single anti-Israel person that I knew in HS (2000-2004) blamed Israel exclusively for ME terrorism. This did not subside in college/grad school. As the left has only become more anti-Israel during the past decade, this has probably not changed for the better. Also, if Israel elected a POS socialist government tomorrow, it would not lead to capitulation in the face of its enemies.

As per usual, I believe you are lying.

I do not know a single person in real life who claims people of the Jewish faith are committed terrorists.

I have seen some people on this board be highly critical of the rightwing governments of the State of Israel and their treatment of Palestinian civilians.

[Guno צְבִי]

Study: More than one in 10 Americans under 40 thinks Jews caused the Holocaust


The survey found that most respondents had heard of the Holocaust and 37% knew that 6 million Jews died. Slightly more than half could name at least one concentration camp or ghetto.

But 11% of the respondents believed the Jews were responsible for the Holocaust, 15% said they thought the Holocaust was a myth or has been exaggerated, and 20% said people talk about it too much. Nearly half said they had seen Holocaust denial online.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/454...ws-caused-the/

[Cypress]

Study: More than one in 10 Americans under 40 thinks Jews caused the Holocaust


The survey found that most respondents had heard of the Holocaust and 37% knew that 6 million Jews died. Slightly more than half could name at least one concentration camp or ghetto.

But 11% of the respondents believed the Jews were responsible for the Holocaust, 15% said they thought the Holocaust was a myth or has been exaggerated, and 20% said people talk about it too much. Nearly half said they had seen Holocaust denial online.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/454...ws-caused-the/

^ That tracks with my online experience.