Big Ten Football bends the knee

[cawacko]

Where would OU be without football. All you have to do is drive through Norman to see the effects of “football” money on that little town. Right now I’m at a hotel in Stillwater. My son has a personal honors tour and recruiting visit and even though they would like to pay him to come here because of his brain part of the tour is to take him through the stadium and sports facilities and to talk about how much fun game days are. Football does not lose money at these two schools.

Congrats to your son! Universities offer an experience and at many schools athletics, and particularly football, are a big part of that experience and the schools like to show it off.

[Walt]

Football and athletic departments are two different things. You said football loses money and for many of the big schools that is not correct. Football revenue subsidizes most athletic departments and other sports. Most sports bring in little revenue.

Most sports cost little money, and bring in even less money. Their purpose is as an amenity to the school. Football, and basketball cost a huge amount, and bring in money. The problem is the arms race to get that money has pushed them into unprofitability. Even if they were profitable, is this really what schools should be pushing?

[Darth Omar]

Most sports cost little money, and bring in even less money. Their purpose is as an amenity to the school. Football, and basketball cost a huge amount, and bring in money. The problem is the arms race to get that money has pushed them into unprofitability. Even if they were profitable, is this really what schools should be pushing?

At what point do we address the Marxist crap they push on campus?

Dude, give this one up.

Power 5 football makes so much money college athletes are wanting in on the action. And it’s not like they don’t have an argument.

[cawacko]

Most sports cost little money, and bring in even less money. Their purpose is as an amenity to the school. Football, and basketball cost a huge amount, and bring in money. The problem is the arms race to get that money has pushed them into unprofitability. Even if they were profitable, is this really what schools should be pushing?

Football brings in massive amounts of money, recognition, alumni support and alumni donations to the Universities. Not every school is an Ivy League school. They are the exception, not the rule. College football (and basketball) brings in billions in overall revenue. That, and major alum donations, are where they get the capital to fund all the amenities. Football makes most of these schools large sums of money.

[Walt]

Football brings in massive amounts of money, recognition, alumni support and alumni donations to the Universities.

Lets take Princeton University, which gets the most alumni donations. Is its football team the best in the country? A more extreme example is MIT or Stanford, they both have terrible football teams.

What all three have is strong research departments. Research brings in research grants (REALLY MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY), but also alumni who make a lot of money and want to donate it to the school that helped them.

[Micawber]

Isn't bending a knee a sign of respect and hope that your leader will do better?

[cawacko]

Lets take Princeton University, which gets the most alumni donations. Is its football team the best in the country? A more extreme example is MIT or Stanford, they both have terrible football teams.

What all three have is strong research departments. Research brings in research grants (REALLY MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY), but also alumni who make a lot of money and want to donate it to the school that helped them.

You're talking about three of the top Universities in the world. They are the exception. (And Stanford has actually been pretty good for the past decade.)

Your claim was football loses money which for most of the P5 schools is false. It brings in millions upon millions upon millions of dollars.

[Sailor]

Isn't bending a knee a sign of respect and hope that your leader will do better?

It is a sign of weakness. Do not bother getting up.

[Trumpet]

It is a sign of weakness. Do not bother getting up.

Popeye, you're weak in the mind, so don't try to think.

[Sailor]

Trumpet, you are on your knees all the time anyway, long before this all started.

[Walt]

You're talking about three of the top Universities in the world. They are the exception. (And Stanford has actually been pretty good for the past decade.)

Your claim was football loses money which for most of the P5 schools is false. It brings in millions upon millions upon millions of dollars.

Lets say there is a world class vaccine researcher trying to decide which university to teach at. Will the football team be a deciding factor? Maybe, but probably not.

Which is more important to our economy, vaccines or football? I will give you a hint, economies around the world are doing fine without American football.

But the whole point of universities is to watch football, not to teach, right?

I am not against football, but I think you are overemphasizing its importance. Most universities on planet earth have never even heard of American football.

[cawacko]

Lets say there is a world class vaccine researcher trying to decide which university to teach at. Will the football team be a deciding factor? Maybe, but probably not.

Which is more important to our economy, vaccines or football? I will give you a hint, economies around the world are doing fine without American football.

But the whole point of universities is to watch football, not to teach, right?

I am not against football, but I think you are overemphasizing its importance. Most universities on planet earth have never even heard of American football.

You’re arguing a totally different topic now. Your original premise was football loses money. At most Power 5 schools that is false. Like Darth said student athletes aren’t asking for a piece of the pie because schools are losing money.

[Walt]

You’re arguing a totally different topic now. Your original premise was football loses money. At most Power 5 schools that is false. Like Darth said student athletes aren’t asking for a piece of the pie because schools are losing money.

"Among FCS football programs, 98% lose money each year. "
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...l_20180123.pdf

[cawacko]

"Among FCS football programs, 98% lose money each year. "
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/f...l_20180123.pdf

Even though I’m a huge college football fan I don’t have much interest in reading a 112 page document.

[Darth Omar]

Even though I’m a huge college football fan I don’t have much interest in reading a 112 page document.

Walt wiggled out of it by bringing FCS into it.

Walt the wiggler.