Minimum wage rate and labors’ market prices.

[TexanManWithPlans]

The truth isn't an insult.

You must live in a shithole if welders make only $16-20/hour. Perhaps you should have moved to Alaska. The median wage for welders there is $34/hour.

I live in Pennsylvania. The cost of living is low in my area and the salaries reflect that. You can have a nice quality of life here making less money than in a place like NYC.

[T. A. Gardner]

A typical welder in my area might make $16-$20/hr. Mechanics are in a similar range. I make the equivalent of about $28/hr right now at a medium-sized company in a position that required no schooling.

Electricians in AZ make $20 to $25 an hour for the most part. The bottom end help in that field runs $12 to $18 an hour. The really skilled guys make $30+. Raytheon wanted me to start with them at $32 (mostly because they couldn't find enough electricians that were proficient in industrial ladder logic) but I've retired twice and didn't think it was worth the hassle of moving to Tucson.

The local larger service companies like George Brazil or Parker pay $50 a billable hour to their workers, plus benefits. That works out to a wage of about $18 to $22 an hour if you are good at organizing your work and being fast.

I can make $30 to $40 for an hour's work on side jobs cash even now. That includes a $10 trip charge so I clear $20 to $30 a call. Most of the time it's something stupid like a tripped breaker or the like. I get out, get a little exercise and most of the customers are on the "dark" side of town so-to-speak... No White Privilege there. I really liked the Mexican guy that shared his moonshine with me when I finished. That was some excellent tequila / mescal... Another lady gave my helper fry bread. These people like that you show up and fix their problems. The Somali lady the other day was very happy her refrigerator was running again in just hours after I fixed her electric problems at what I call the "Murder Street" apartments (from the graffiti a gangster painted on them...).

I'm sort of a less fruitive Harry Tuttle...

[TexanManWithPlans]

Electricians in AZ make $20 to $25 an hour for the most part. The bottom end help in that field runs $12 to $18 an hour. The really skilled guys make $30+. Raytheon wanted me to start with them at $32 (mostly because they couldn't find enough electricians that were proficient in industrial ladder logic) but I've retired twice and didn't think it was worth the hassle of moving to Tucson.

The local larger service companies like George Brazil or Parker pay $50 a billable hour to their workers, plus benefits. That works out to a wage of about $18 to $22 an hour if you are good at organizing your work and being fast.

I can make $30 to $40 for an hour's work on side jobs cash even now. That includes a $10 trip charge so I clear $20 to $30 a call. Most of the time it's something stupid like a tripped breaker or the like. I get out, get a little exercise and most of the customers are on the "dark" side of town so-to-speak... No White Privilege there. I really liked the Mexican guy that shared his moonshine with me when I finished. That was some excellent tequila / mescal... Another lady gave my helper fry bread. These people like that you show up and fix their problems. The Somali lady the other day was very happy her refrigerator was running again in just hours after I fixed her electric problems at what I call the "Murder Street" apartments (from the graffiti a gangster painted on them...).

Ok, but in my area, which is a collection of small towns, the cost of living is far lower than the national average. In NYC, you might pay $2,000/month for a shithole apartment. In my area, we pay $220/month for our mortgage. Our house is a two-floor with a driveway and a big yard.

[T. A. Gardner]

Ok, but in my area, which is a collection of small towns, the cost of living is far lower than the national average. In NYC, you might pay $2,000/month for a shithole apartment. In my area, we pay $220/month for our mortgage. Our house is a two-floor with a driveway and a big yard.

It all makes a difference. I know I could never charge that in Oracle or Bisbee where I have properties... But Phoenix...? Sure.

[CFM]

I live in Pennsylvania. The cost of living is low in my area and the salaries reflect that. You can have a nice quality of life here making less money than in a place like NYC.

You can live well in a lot of places making less than NYC.

Certain parts of Pennsylvania are shithole areas. It's where the lefties still control the local governments. Other parts of PA are nice.

[CFM]

Ok, but in my area, which is a collection of small towns, the cost of living is far lower than the national average. In NYC, you might pay $2,000/month for a shithole apartment. In my area, we pay $220/month for our mortgage. Our house is a two-floor with a driveway and a big yard.

The problem with areas like yours is if you leave and go somewhere else, all you'd be able to afford to live in is a tent.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascis...ntury%20Europe.

It must be miserable knowing that the only way you can make more than you're worth is for the government to force your employer to pay you $7.25/hour for sweeping floor, emptying trash, and cleaning shit off toilets.

you're reading the politcally redefined version. that's globalist revisionism.

the real thing:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/corporatism
Corporatism, Italian corporativismo, also called corporativism, the theory and practice of organizing society into “corporations” subordinate to the state. According to corporatist theory, workers and employers would be organized into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and controlling to a large extent the persons and activities within their jurisdiction. However, as the “corporate state” was put into effect in fascist Italy between World Wars I and II, it reflected the will of the country’s dictator, Benito Mussolini, rather than the adjusted interests of economic groups.

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"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."

—Giovanni Gentile* “Encyclopedia Italiana”


Il Duce with visiting Nazis in 1936. He did not hide the fact that capitalism, without the mask, was central to his style of rule.

This definition from one of the exponents of the program has far more clarity than the over-used one coming from present day people of mostly liberal persuasion who define fascism as anything they don’t like about present reality, without understanding that without capitalist reality there would be no possibility of what can become what is called fascism.

When capitalism is in its most critical state, pretense of democracy vanishes and big money power that always ruled from behind the scenes comes forward to publicly bring order to what seems to threaten chaos; democratic power accruing to the great mass of the people, which translates to chaos for the minority rulers who get away with being out numbered not only by employing imperial military forces but keeping majorities under control by use of consciousness controlling mind management techniques creating commercial distractions among them and hiding class behind false human differences like ethnicity, religion and race.

Far more important in the suppression of democracy than, say, pain management or anger management for individuals is the social ignorance management practiced by major political media, at the present moment in attempting to destroy a social democratic and even socialist consciousness rising among Americans by doing everything to suppress, misinform, disinform and otherwise bury that threat to fundamentalist, fanatic obsession with our economic private parts. This amounts to a form of masturbatory politics that finds us forced into identity groups reduced to primarily playing with, for, and against ourselves while remaining mostly unconscious of our human connections.

The present crisis in the capitalist political economic system, heightened by a tragic and potentially socially devastating if sometimes hysterically over-hyped pandemic, highlights the fact of a system at a severe stage of breakdown and the need for radical transformation that leads to democratic control and ends the bloody farce of a private profit marketplace assuring poverty, unemployment, illness and death to a population innocently financing the economic war killing people here and currently slaughtering thousands across the world. The danger is so great that recent austerity fanatics and fundamentalist public sector destroyers are proposing salvation of the system through methods that would have labeled them socialist-revolutionaries a short while ago.

Their hated “big government” has created trillions of previously unavailable dollars, mainly to save corporate business but also to bail out ordinary workers suffering the inability to buy what the businesses sell. This usually social democratic salvation for capital when it nears moving to fascism is coming from sources previously labeled fascist by the comfortable class which is becoming more uncomfortable each day. While label exchanges and ignorance combine to have unfortunates cursing alleged socialism for robbing ordinary workers and other unfortunates cursing alleged fascism for the same thing but from a slightly different perspective, the labeling and identity businesses profit for their minority owners by blaming the as yet unorganized majority suffering in maintenance of minority rule. But every downside creates an up, or at least offers the opportunity to do so, and the present approaching near if not total collapse of the capitalist market of private profit is helping bring about what could be a massive change for humanity.

While the American façade for democracy in November will produce the usual billionaire financed struggle in which a minority of the electorate supports a winner to proceed in maintenance of the system with different sectors of the population showing benefit while the majority pays, larger parts of that majority are seeing, feeling and gradually understanding that the system does not serve their interest, by design, and only a social revolution, whatever language it may be covered in by their supposed leaders, can bring about a reality that serves them and not just the nation’s incredibly rich owners and their well-to-do professional servant class.
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2020/...rporate-power/

[CFM]

you're reading the politcally redefined version. that's globalist revisionism.

the real thing:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/corporatism
Corporatism, Italian corporativismo, also called corporativism, the theory and practice of organizing society into “corporations” subordinate to the state. According to corporatist theory, workers and employers would be organized into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and controlling to a large extent the persons and activities within their jurisdiction. However, as the “corporate state” was put into effect in fascist Italy between World Wars I and II, it reflected the will of the country’s dictator, Benito Mussolini, rather than the adjusted interests of economic groups.

I posted facts and you're still whining people don't support you getting paid more than you're worth.

[Lightbringer]

I posted facts and you're still whining people don't support you getting paid more than you're worth.

You didn't post facts.

[CFM]

You didn't post facts.

What did I post that you claim isn't a fact? Be specific.

[christiefan915]

What's the alternative to working hard?

Hardly working.

[CFM]

When people are paid a higher wage they tend to be more dedicated to the job they are doing and to their employer.

As long as they EARN that higher wage.

[CFM]

Hardly working.

And begging the government to force your employer to pay you more than you're worth.