In Visiting a Charred California, Trump Confronts a Scientific Reality He Denies

[PoliTalker]

Hello Bill,

Calif is a massive state w/ over 33 million acres of forest, so yea, lots of it can be logged, not all of it, & "raking" isn't going to work on much of it.......

I dunno when they "assumed" their gawd given right to have their property protected @ all costs out in the middle of nowhere, but da gubment has been spending Billions & lost lives to protect it..........

"you build, you & your insurance assume the risk"...........

I have had land out there for the last 30+ years & no more..

Two of those are now threatened in the current North complex fire but really it is just a matter of time before they'll burn.. I just looked @ goggle earth & all the trees etc are still there + one new house..........

Actually, most of those 'Off Grid Build' episodes are people with enough wealth to have a second home in the woods, not a primary residence. If it's just a get-away place and they want to assume the risk then they should have that freedom. It's the ones that put everything into it and make it the primary that are setting themselves up for great loss.

What's worse are all the ones who have to have waterfront as the primary, just daring mother nature to flood or toss a hurricane on over. Does the insurance cost really reflect that risk? I know they pay more, but isn't everybody paying a bit more to cover part of their risk? I mean, we all fund FEMA. And every time there's another big destructive weather crisis, FEMA comes in with billions. It even happened in Puerto Rico now that Trump needs more votes to try to carry Florida...

[Bill]

Hello Bill,



Actually, most of those 'Off Grid Build' episodes are people with enough wealth to have a second home in the woods, not a primary residence. If it's just a get-away place and they want to assume the risk then they should have that freedom. It's the ones that put everything into it and make it the primary that are setting themselves up for great loss.

What's worse are all the ones who have to have waterfront as the primary, just daring mother nature to flood or toss a hurricane on over. Does the insurance cost really reflect that risk? I know they pay more, but isn't everybody paying a bit more to cover part of their risk? I mean, we all fund FEMA. And every time there's another big destructive weather crisis, FEMA comes in with billions. It even happened in Puerto Rico now that Trump needs more votes to try to carry Florida...

Yes, my point exactly.. No additional monies or lives should be spent protecting "their" property built in areas naturally prone to "wild fires"..



I agree, as they are doing in New Jersey....... Those ppl bitch & moan till the government, aka you & I & the others here pay for their stupid fuckin mistakes of building a house on sand, on a beach prone to storms....

Their house, their insurance, their loss........

[Arks&sparka]

To the global scientific community, the acres of scorched earth and ash-filled skies across the American West are the tragic, but predictable, result of accelerating climate change. Nearly two years ago, federal government scientists concluded that greenhouse gas emissions from burning fossil fuels could triple the frequency of severe fires across the Western states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/u...gtype=Homepage

But not the arsonists running around setting fire to everything? You want us to believe it's climate change causing wild fires?

[Arks&sparka]

If Newsom believed the so-called "science", WHY didn't he clear out the dead wood and do controlled burns? Why didn't Jerry Brown do anything? Demcorats control the effing State. They've had total control with ONE PARTY RULE for a long time.

We'll make up a global disaster to blame someone else. It's so predictable I'd be shocked if they actually took responsibility.

The climate change thing is about trying to undermine the petroleum industry. That's why electric cars are magically green despite the mining and refining of rare earth minerals.

Why would they want to undermine the petrochemical industry you might ask? Well it's because this industry represents 8%of gdp do big money and they donate to Republicans.

So it's all about money.

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A “potential connection” between anthropogenic global warming and the frequency or intensity of wildfires in California has yet to emerge in the trend observations.

Scientists have found a “lack of correlation between late summer/autumn wildfires” and “summer precipitation or temperature” in coastal California. In fact, “there is no long-term trend in the number of fires over coastal California” in the last 50 years (Mass and Ovens, 2019).

https://journals.ametsoc.org/bams/ar...of-8-9-October

[PoliTalker]

Hello Bill,

Yes, my point exactly.. No additional monies or lives should be spent protecting "their" property built in areas naturally prone to "wild fires"..



I agree, as they are doing in New Jersey....... Those ppl bitch & moan till the government, aka you & I & the others here pay for their stupid fuckin mistakes of building a house on sand, on a beach prone to storms....

Their house, their insurance, their loss........

Heard that, thanks.

I'm starting to think if the govt has to bail out a property owner, then the govt owns the land and it never gets built on again. Becomes parkland. Simple - done. Won't have to bail it out again.

[Bigdog]

Yep...... The major source in the recent fires is lightening, particularly dry lightening-no rain associated w/ it...


Ppl don't seem to realize that when they go out & stop a fire, they are not preventing fire, but prolonging it..

The north complex fire burning now in Northern Calif is an example..

The south complex burned a few years ago & they managed to get it out~now the rest is burning...........

Damocles posted a relevant study that said ...

"the best-available science suggests 4.4 and 12 million acres burned in California annually before the arrival of Europeans."

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...hem-Worse-Than

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They do logging, I have seen zillions racing down the hill on small one lane roads........

There are also many private stands in the state........

I see ppl posting shit on social media-this is what a forest should look like... I guess they think the fuckin elves are going to manicure it??

Maybe deer & bear eat the trees???

A natural forest has burn all over it, that is the natural order........

Since they can't let it burn since ppl have moved out there, the other alternatives are log them out, or let mother nature take care of it........

It's different to townies in England moving to their thatched cottage in the countryside and then complaining about the smell of manure.

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I would say Martin is getting bitch slapped here. Good job!

Smarting Martin!!

[Code1211]

To the global scientific community, the acres of scorched earth and ash-filled skies across the American West are the tragic, but predictable, result of accelerating climate change. Nearly two years ago, federal government scientists concluded that greenhouse gas emissions from burning fossil fuels could triple the frequency of severe fires across the Western states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/u...gtype=Homepage

In 1988, Dr. James Hansen testified before the Senate that if we did not act in 12 years, the damage would be irreversible.

The ship you are talking about has already sailed and it sailed long before the President started his first campaign for President.

In truth, Obama promised that people would look back on his tenure saying that problem was no longer getting worse- that the healing had started.

So... problems solved!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/547...-of-the-oceans
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Barack Obama
“this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal ..."~~Barack Obama upon winning the Democratic nomination for presidency conveys his thinking of what that means ....for the world, Tuesday, JUNE 03, 2008”

― Barack Obama
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[Code1211]

You are talking about Californicators, they rarely make sense.

What makes this doubly humorous, AND TRAGIC, is that they assert that Mankind can control and direct the climate of the planet and they can't even prevent fires in their own back yard.

[Code1211]

I was with my Nor Cal buddies. They all know this is the new normal until climate change is addressed with a serious global and consistent effort.
They also comment that anyone not feeling effect yet will, no matter where you are. Your shameful joy will just be shame.

So you are saying that given the proper control of the actions of all people on the planet, an elite corps of experts can control and direct the climate of the planet?

Do you know that what you are proposing requires insane gullibility to believe?

[Code1211]

To the global scientific community, the acres of scorched earth and ash-filled skies across the American West are the tragic, but predictable, result of accelerating climate change. Nearly two years ago, federal government scientists concluded that greenhouse gas emissions from burning fossil fuels could triple the frequency of severe fires across the Western states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/u...gtype=Homepage

With the greatest respect, is there a web site maintained by "The Global Scientific Community"?

If you can link to that site, have they advanced a scientific hypothesis which clearly states the test to falsify their hypothesis on warming or climate change or whatever you believe they have said? A pull quote would be nice.

Please provide that link along with the pull quote.

[jacksonsprat22]

With the greatest respect, is there a web site maintained by "The Global Scientific Community"?

If you can link to that site, have they advanced a scientific hypothesis which clearly states the test to falsify their hypothesis on warming or climate change or whatever you believe they have said? A pull quote would be nice.

Please provide that link along with the pull quote.

You are willfully ignorant.

[Bill]

Hello Bill,



Heard that, thanks.

I'm starting to think if the govt has to bail out a property owner, then the govt owns the land and it never gets built on again. Becomes parkland. Simple - done. Won't have to bail it out again.

Unfortunately the government far to often does bail them out.........

Many of those that have resources to bring to the table get redress, rightfully or wrongfully........

The politicians aint giving their own money away, they do what is in their best interest~which often does not coincide w/ the interests of the tax payers..