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    As Renewables Falter, Environmentalists Stand Up For Nuclear


    Environmentalists have long promoted renewable energy sources as better for nature.

    But a new study suggests that the expansion of mining for the materials to make solar panels and wind turbines may pose a greater threat than climate change to endangered species.

    “Most mining areas (82%) target materials needed for renewable energy production,” note the authors in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Communications. And, they add, “these new threats to biodiversity may surpass those averted by climate change mitigation.”


    The study comes at a moment when the expansion of solar and wind energy is increasing local opposition, raising electricity prices, and contributing to electricity shortages.

    Recent electricity outages in California forced the state’s governor to acknowledge the dangers posed by attempting to rely on unreliable sources of renewable energy.

    “We cannot sacrifice reliability,” Gov. Gavin Newsom said on August 17. “We have to sober up to the reality that… we’re going to have to do more, and be much more mindful, in terms of our capacity to provide backup and insurance.”

    The problem with relying on solar panels is that the sun sets during peak demand, which is between 5 pm and 10 pm, requiring a massive ramping up of natural gas power plants. And the same lack of wind behind the heatwaves has also meant a lack of electricity from industrial wind turbines.

    Meanwhile, environmental resistance is blocking and slowing the expansion of industrial wind and solar energy projects.

    In Britain, Greenpeace has opposed a massive new solar farm, “arguing that ‘vast continuous fields of panels on agricultural land” are not “the best way to go solar.’” New York environmentalists, meanwhile, “say large-scale solar installations will spoil beautiful farmland,” reported Financial Times.

    As renewables have faltered, pro-nuclear environmentalists have become increasingly vocal, even in Germany, the world’s most anti-nuclear nation.

    Europeans Protest Greenpeace

    Last Saturday pro-nuclear activists organized by the German pro-nuclear organization Nuklearia dropped a banner in front of Greenpeace’s Germany headquarters. It read, “Climate Crisis? Nuclear energy!”

    Pro-nuclear activists similarly protested in front of Greenpeace’s Paris headquarters in late June, denouncing the NGO’s role in replacing nuclear plants with fossil fuels.

    “Several dozen protesters — wearing face masks — carried banners in front of the Greenpeace headquarters in Paris, with slogans such as ‘Less nuclear means more coal,’” reported Reuters.

    “In the following weeks, there will be similar rallies,” reported the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) last week, “where the five other German nuclear power plants that are still running but whose operating licenses will soon expire.”

    Over the next six weeks, there will be over forty pro-nuclear demonstrations around the world organized by the Nuclear Pride Coalition. (My nonprofit organization, Environmental Progress, is a member of the coalition, but did not organize the demonstrations in Germany, France, or other nations.)

    The chairman of Nuklearia is Rainer Klute, a computer scientist and eco-modernist. That’s someone who, according to FAZ, ”wants to save the world by relying on modern technology, not on using jute bags.” FAZ noted that Klute is finding allies “among those who oppose wind turbines out of concern for noise and the landscape.”

    It wasn’t the first pro-nuclear demonstration in Germany. In December 2019, 120 people from Germany, Poland, Switzerland, Austria, the Netherlands, and the Czech Republic rallied near the Philippsburg nuclear power plant, forty-five minutes from the French border, which the German government had forced to close prematurely.

    While Klute emphasizes the need for nuclear to combat climate change, Peters stresses the need for nuclear energy to avoid over-dependence on imported natural gas from Russia.

    Concerns about over-dependence on Russian natural gas are growing in Germany. Earlier this year, the Russian parliament effectively gave President Vladimir Putin the power to govern for life. And late last month, Russia’s top opposition political leader was nearly assassinated in a nerve gas attack.

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the attempted murder raises “very serious questions that only the Russian government can answer — and must answer.” But she has so far not taken any practical action to hold the Russian government to account.

    A similar dynamic has played out before. Merkel publicly declared former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder’s decision to work for Russia’s natural gas company “not acceptable.” But she did, in the end, accept it.

    Merkel used similarly strong language after the Russian government intervened in Ukraine. “Merkel issues rebuke to Russia,” a New York Times NYT +2.2% headline blared in 2014, “setting caution aside.” But in the six years since, Merkel has deepened Germany’s dependence on imported Russian gas.

    Klute and Peters note that if Germany kept its nuclear plants open, and even expanded them, the nation could be as free both of coal and of Russian gas, as France is.

    That nation’s nuclear-heavy electricity supply produces one-tenth of the carbon emissions per unit of electricity as Germany’s, for little over one-half the price.

    Klute acknowledges that he is a long way from winning over a majority of support from his fellow Germans, but stresses that popularity isn’t the only factor nations must consider when deciding what kind of energy to use.

    And Klute notes that the times are changing. “When Angela Merkel is no longer Federal Chancellor,” he notes, “politicians will also dare to take our side.” Merkel will leave office next year.

    In the end, it may take a more serious rattling of the global order, such as the withdrawal of the United States from NATO, to persuade a nation like Germany to hang on to its nuclear plants.


    Pro-nuclear activists to demonstrate in over 40 cities.

    Generation Nuclear

    As the failings of renewables have become more apparent, journalists have started covering pro-nuclear demonstrations more fairly and respectfully than they had in the recent past.

    Der Spiegel, the largest newsweekly in Germany, covered last December’s pro-nuclear protest with undisguised anti-nuclear hostility.

    But in June, France’s anti-nuclear Le Monde covered the pro-nuclear protest of Greenpeace in Paris far more fairly. “We are here to denounce the untruths of Greenpeace on nuclear power,” pro-nuclear leader Myrto Tripathi is quoted as saying.

    German media, too, appear to be changing. In mid-July, Die Zeit, a major newspaper, published an article by Klute’s colleagues titled, “Stop the Nuclear Phase-Out!”

    And in mid-August, Der Spiegel published a long debate that gave equal space to pro-nuclear and anti-nuclear activists.

    “Public opinion towards nuclear energy is changing,” said Bjorn Peters, who helped organize the December 2019 demonstration at Philippsburg nuclear plant.

    But the biggest change to nuclear’s reception and perception can be seen on social media.

    As recently as 2016, I had to routinely refute on Twitter obviously false claims, such as that nuclear energy isn’t low-carbon energy.

    Such claims have largely disappeared from view. And, in the rare instance they are still made, I find others debunking them before I have a chance to.

    And there have been some recent surprises. Over the last few weeks, Isabelle Boemke, a 29-year-old Brazilian model with a large social media following, has released a series of videos about the environmental benefits of nuclear.

    “One uranium pellet, about the size of a gummy bear, has as much energy as 2,000 pounds of coal,” she notes in a September 6 Tik Tok video that has been viewed a half-million times.

    “This means we can create an insane amount of energy in smaller spaces, which means it requires less land, which is great news for the environment,” she explained.

    Financial Times columnist Jonathan Ford made a similar point in his recent article about Greenpeace’s opposition to the proposed solar farm.

    “It all goes to illustrate one of the awkward truths about renewables,” wrote Ford, “and one that is often buried beneath impressive statistics showing the declining cost of solar panels and wind turbines. Their relatively low ‘power density’ makes them more consumptive of resources.”

    The low power density of renewables is behind rising conflicts in New York over efforts to spread solar and wind projects over the landscape. Solar and wind projects require, on average, 300 – 400 times more land than a nuclear or natural gas plant.

    “One [New York] resident handing out flyers opposing the [wind energy] project found a dead rabbit in the mailbox,” reported The Financial Times. “This project is tearing our previously peaceful community apart,” he says.

    And it’s their low power density that scientists say may make renewables a greater threat than climate change to endangered species.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#775e633a2d32
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    No Nukes!!!!

    ...oh wait....
    Don't be afraid to see what you see

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    The main problem is how little we trust our government....for very good cause.

    Nuclear disaster almost runs forever.

    We must have confidence.
    I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.

    DARK AGES SUCK!

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    Nuclear works great. It's safer and far more environmentally friendly than coal and even oil and gas. Even beats wind and solar on environmentally friendliness and generates cheap plentiful electricity. For example Palo Verde Nuclear annually generates about 34 times more power than Ivanpah Solar in California the US's largest solar plant. Both take up the same amount of land, 4000 acres. Palo Verde cost $11.5 billion (2016 dollars) to build. Ivanpah S2.5 billion.

    That means to match Palo Verde you need to spend about $85 billion on solar plants that cover roughly an area 40 miles on a side. Top that off with the environmental disaster Ivanpah creates cooking birds that fly into the array on a near daily basis.

    We need a lot more nuclear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    The main problem is how little we trust our government....for very good cause.

    Nuclear disaster almost runs forever.

    We must have confidence.
    This is not true. Three-Mile Island has been cleaned up entirely now. The cost was less than the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill disaster in the Gulf. At TMI nobody died. Nobody got cancer or other serious health effects as a result. Radioactive materials can be safely handled and cleaned up. We have safe means for long-term storage like Yucca mountain that only isn't being used because irrational people with no knowledge are fighting it opening.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/15/u...concludes.html

    Yes, it took 14 years to do safely but it's done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    This is not true. Three-Mile Island has been cleaned up entirely now. The cost was less than the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill disaster in the Gulf. At TMI nobody died. Nobody got cancer or other serious health effects as a result. Radioactive materials can be safely handled and cleaned up. We have safe means for long-term storage like Yucca mountain that only isn't being used because irrational people with no knowledge are fighting it opening.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/15/u...concludes.html

    Yes, it took 14 years to do safely but it's done.
    When we started doing Nuclear the date we were given for a solution for the pulled cores was about 30 years ago.

    And we are nowhere...let that sink in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    When we started doing Nuclear the date we were given for a solution for the pulled cores was about 30 years ago.

    And we are nowhere...let that sink in.
    There are solutions. The problem is you have people like the Leftist environmental front and idiot politicians that refuse to allow those solutions to be implemented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    There are solutions. The problem is you have people like the Leftist environmental front and idiot politicians that refuse to allow those solutions to be implemented.
    At some point it does not matter if there are solutions if they are not used. The spent cores still being onsite in Fukushima was a major multiplier of the disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    There are solutions. The problem is you have people like the Leftist environmental front and idiot politicians that refuse to allow those solutions to be implemented.
    Look at the way that NIMBYs like Reid and Halstead fought tooth and nail to stop Yucca Mountain.

    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/au...ountain-is-no/
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    There are solutions. The problem is you have people like the Leftist environmental front and idiot politicians that refuse to allow those solutions to be implemented.
    The Left piss and moan about nuclear waste yet it is their obstinancy and wilful ignorance that means spent rods have to be stored on-site.

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    Environmentalists for nuclear power? My ass they are. Amazing how little you know about this stuff when you never shut up about it. Maybe it's the disinformation blogs and pseudoscience rags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    Environmentalists for nuclear power? My ass they are. Amazing how little you know about this stuff when you never shut up about it. Maybe it's the disinformation blogs and pseudoscience rags.
    You're truly a waste of space, you never read anything, do you shit for brains? The article quotes a study from Nature Communications ffs, I'll have to ban you again you're just too brain dead to discuss this stuff!

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17928-5.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    Environmentalists for nuclear power? My ass they are. Amazing how little you know about this stuff when you never shut up about it. Maybe it's the disinformation blogs and pseudoscience rags.
    Ever heard of James Hansen, arsehole?


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