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    It happened that is how stupid he is. Shows how rightys lie toi o protect him. This is repetition as normal here.

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    So lying is how you play the game.
    Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.
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    I thought after all the lies Trump got caught in
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    you would be wise to not hitch your wagon to him.
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    Trump says stupid things and you lie about them.
    He never said it. CNN did. It's fiction. It's fake news.
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    At least you are consistent. Fake post. Trump said it and as usual, you flatly deny it.
    Trump never said it. CNN did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    It happened that is how stupid he is. Shows how rightys lie toi o protect him. This is repetition as normal here.
    Nope. Trump is not responsible for CNN fiction.
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    It is the nature of the region to have fires.
    Over population makes it worse but noplace says no to development.
    Cant blame bears for being bears.
    Cant blame ecosystem for being that sort of ecosystem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    It is the nature of the region to have fires.
    Over population makes it worse but noplace says no to development.
    Cant blame bears for being bears.
    Cant blame ecosystem for being that sort of ecosystem.
    You can blame humans for the forests being too dense so that too many the trees stay small and burn rather than survive fire driving up the heat thus killing ever larger trees as they burn too.....driving up the heat yet again.

    This is at heart a management failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    You can blame humans for the forests being too dense so that too many the trees stay small and burn rather than survive fire driving up the heat thus killing ever larger trees as they burn too.....driving up the heat yet again.

    This is at heart a management failure.
    Tree huggers way back when stopped clearing under growth which is what you are likely referring to. Huge mistake as it only upped the tinder.
    They learned that lesson the hard way but then underfunded this important land management.
    But worse still they let people build where they knew fire was going to come (or mudslides on the coast).
    Nobody says no to development. Big problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Tree huggers way back when stopped clearing under growth which is what you are likely referring to. Huge mistake as it only upped the tinder.
    They learned that lesson the hard way but then underfunded this important land management.
    But worse still they let people build where they knew fire was going to come (or mudslides on the coast).
    Nobody says no to development. Big problem.
    It is not just the undergrowth....there are too many fucking trees.....we need to cut down trees if the forests are going to get healthy again.

    Part of the problem is that we have not been logging for a long time, so there are no forests roads in a lot of places, they would need to be built before we could even start, which would be a hugely expensive project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Nope. Trump is not responsible for CNN fiction.
    Not responsible for what Woodward got in tape either, is he? You are such a mindless suckup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celticguy View Post
    Tree huggers way back when stopped clearing under growth which is what you are likely referring to. Huge mistake as it only upped the tinder.
    They learned that lesson the hard way but then underfunded this important land management.
    But worse still they let people build where they knew fire was going to come (or mudslides on the coast).
    Nobody says no to development. Big problem.
    That is pretty much it IMHO........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    It is not just the undergrowth....there are too many fucking trees.....we need to cut down trees if the forests are going to get healthy again.

    Part of the problem is that we have not been logging for a long time, so there are no forests roads in a lot of places, they would need to be built before we could even start, which would be a hugely expensive project.
    That is correct IMHO as well

    They have not been logging in many places but there are still roads out there, but many in disrepair as well.... That is part of the deal........ If you go & cut, you will not be on them for several years & will need to repair them..........

    They have begun some clearing but it is very limited & much of the wood(from the over crowding) is not feasible/marketable & is just pilled up to age for burning in a few years......

    They also do limited "controlled burns" which help but are very limited & not often well controlled as they have not always guessed well beyond 5 days as to conditions/wind......
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    That is correct IMHO as well

    They have not been logging in many places but there are still roads out there, but many in disrepair as well.... That is part of the deal........ If you go & cut, you will not be on them for several years & will need to repair them..........

    They have begun some clearing but it is very limited & much of the wood(from the over crowding) is not feasible/marketable & is just pilled up to age for burning in a few years......

    They also do limited "controlled burns" which help but are very limited & not often well controlled as they have not always guessed well beyond 5 days as to conditions/wind......
    I was once reading that some environmental groups said "Fine, so long as it is done by helicopter we wont object to thinning of the forest" to which the obvious response was "Do you have even the first fucking clue how much that would cost?".

    The answer was of course "No".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    I was once reading that some environmental groups said "Fine, so long as it is done by helicopter we wont object to thinning of the forest" to which the obvious response was "Do you have even the first fucking clue how much that would cost?".

    The answer was of course "No".
    Yes, that would be nuts.... Controlled burn & limited logging is where I believe it is headed........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Yes, that would be nuts.... Controlled burn & limited logging is where I believe it is headed........
    Problems with burns:

    1) Fires get hot fast...expensive plus liability problems if a fire gets away

    2) CO2 released

    3) expensive legal fees due to challenges, plus schedules get wonky because judges run things and they dont generally give a fuck adding more cost.

    4) It is increasingly impossible to get permission to do a burn when people are crying about the wild animals and short term damage to watersheds

    5) Citizens do not like either burn scars or smoke, and they will be encourage to blame the ones who did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Problems with burns:

    1) Fires get hot fast...expensive plus liability problems if a fire gets away

    2) CO2 released

    3) expensive legal fees due to challenges, plus schedules get wonky because judges run things and they dont generally give a fuck adding more cost.

    4) It is increasingly impossible to get permission to do a burn when people are crying about the wild animals and short term damage to watersheds

    5) Citizens do not like either burn scars or smoke, and they will be encourage to blame the ones who did it.
    The forestry dept does it all the time.. WHere do you live??

    & some times they do get out of hand, oh well..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    The forestry dept does it all the time.. WHere do you live??

    & some times they do get out of hand, oh well..............
    I am not making this up:

    But even as fires have ravaged California in recent years — killing dozens and leveling entire neighborhoods — controlled burns haven’t expanded much, researchers said.

    To understand what’s stopped prescribed burns, the researchers interviewed legislative aides, state and federal employees, nonprofit leaders, academics and more.
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/californ...239475468.html
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