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    Many of those trees that burn are dead and some are downed from winds and rot. They lie on the ground along with underbrush.
    If proper forest conservation was followed, those trees would have been harvested for wood products. But the "tree hugger"
    crowd thinks harvesting trees that would eventually die is destroying nature. If the government would allow harvesting these
    trees in state and federally owned land before they become tinder, these forest fires would be easier to contain. Unfortunately,
    the "tree huggers" don't think or understand land/forest management. Another issue is the very tall trees cut the light needed to
    start/maintain new green growth on the forest floor, leaving a lot of dead, dry brush that becomes kindling for fires.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Many of those trees that burn are dead and some are downed from winds and rot. They lie on the ground along with underbrush.
    If proper forest conservation was followed, those trees would have been harvested for wood products. But the "tree hugger"
    crowd thinks harvesting trees that would eventually die is destroying nature. If the government would allow harvesting these
    trees in state and federally owned land before they become tinder, these forest fires would be easier to contain. Unfortunately,
    the "tree huggers" don't think or understand land/forest management. Another issue is the very tall trees cut the light needed to
    start/maintain new green growth on the forest floor, leaving a lot of dead, dry brush that becomes kindling for fires.
    Please understand how much the trees being smaller because of crowding matters, they cant get big enough to not burn, and since so many are small the heat goes way up...burning more still.

    This is 100% management failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Please understand how much the trees being smaller because of crowding matters, they cant get big enough to not burn, and since so many are small the heat goes way up...burning more still.

    This is 100% management failure.
    I'm a hunter. I spent many hours in the woods and forests, both in managed private property and state game lands here in PA.
    The managed lands had far fewer downed and dead/rotting tall trees and had an abundance of green underbrush that is essential
    to wildlife habitat. Green growth burns far slower than dead/dried wood and brush.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    I'm a hunter. I spent many hours in the woods and forests, both in managed private property and state game lands here in PA.
    The managed lands had far fewer downed and dead/rotting tall trees and had an abundance of green underbrush that is essential
    to wildlife habitat. Green growth burns far slower than dead/dried wood and brush.
    You should see the German forests!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    You should see the German forests!
    Why is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Why is that?
    When I was there in the 90's they were like a dream they were so well managed. I used to often take off with my hound for hours at a time. Big healthy trees, wonderful paths well laid out and with maps, and the floor was a sea of green.

    NOTE: These were forests like you would find in Tolkiens words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    How would a nuke stop a snowstorm, hurricane, or earthquake?
    Trump suggested that for hurricanes. Trump is quite stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Yeah. We'll put YOU in charge.
    So. What is the first order of business ... raking the Forests?
    Sounds like a good job for the welfare freeloaders living off the system. Have them earn their money.

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    Hello Bill,

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post


    We have these in every direction-north, north-west, north-east, south-east, south & south-west & west.......

    Mind boggling:

    How can anybody look at California today and still deny climate change?
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    You ever think, Maybe these wildfires in California are Nature's way of saying "You've reduced pollution and CO2 below levels I, Nature, want to maintain?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Trump suggested that for hurricanes. Trump is quite stupid.
    Evidence? I think you're making shit up again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Bill,



    Mind boggling:

    How can anybody look at California today and still deny climate change?
    Define 'climate change'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Bill,



    Mind boggling:

    How can anybody look at California today and still deny climate change?
    Reason and education make it very clear that there is a lot going on here, that there has been massive human mismanagement of the forests and the utilities.

    Also, California has been suffering massive droughts for pretty much forever...they come and they go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Evidence? I think you're making shit up again.
    Not your secretary. I never make shit up.

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