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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Did you even bother to read what the conditions were during that fire & several others we have had?? This aint Canada.....

    Imagine that sprinkler in this wind.
    Read up on roof sprinklers. They work and they work surprisingly well.



    While the system in this video is more effective than most systems it gives you an idea just how effective sprinklers can be.

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    Another one just started a few miles from a favorite backpacking spot
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Read up on roof sprinklers. They work and they work surprisingly well.

    [video=youtube;lr1SrmGkTKY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr1SrkTKY[/veo]

    While the system in this video is more effective than most systems it gives you an idea just how effective sprinklers can be.
    I believe they can under certain conditions...........

    Many of the fires we are now facing year after year create their own weather & winds, winds 50+

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Yep, very, very sad & so sudden.... I would have never thought it possible.

    I see the winds & fires in south Calif but they lack much vegetation but here there are trees & add fire & 70-80 mph winds & just like that, it's gone..

    I drove by their area 6 months or so after on my way to the coast & it look unreal..... It jumped the 8 lane highway & burned a modern shopping mall......

    My house is stucco, tile roof, so I thought that can't happen here...........

    After reading more on it I saw the wood beams protruding from the roof, some bushes next to the house etc......
    The West Coast just keeps getting scorched year after year. I was around Fresno in 2009 and thought it was crazy all the grass was so brown and sickly. On my second trip out west in 2018, we were in Ontario, Oregon and it got to 101 the day after we left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    The West Coast just keeps getting scorched year after year. I was around Fresno in 2009 and thought it was crazy all the grass was so brown and sickly. On my second trip out west in 2018, we were in Ontario, Oregon and it got to 101 the day after we left.
    That is the norm most of the year...... We get rain starting usually in late fall & into winter we get around 19-20 inches, most of that in about three-four months so brown aka "golden" in the color most of the time.......... It is green if you go up into the Sierra w/ trees etc.....

    I would imagine 3-400 years ago most of these forests we have up there would have been burnt every few years & there wouldn't be a lot to burn..

    Now there are many places w/ 50-100+ years of growth w/out natural fires to clear them out~recycle them..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    ???These are native trees burning, not tree farms.

    I hike in those & they are pretty well managed....
    He was talking about the Civilian Conservation Corps which in 9 years planted 3.5 billion trees, a lot of them in California, and later year planting efforts. They made a great effort to plant the right kinds of tress for the location but California forests were understood at the time to be for logging....once we decided that we did not want logging we were left with the wrong kind of trees there....that is the argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Agreed. California's oppressive environmental and building code rules have pushed the state to where it is. If you can't clear brush and other tender from your property, if the state refuses to build fire breaks in forests, and you are prohibited from taking steps to protect your home from fire by code without onerous permitting processes and inspections, the blame falls entirely and squarely on government.
    No. Global warming has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post


    We have these in every direction-north, north-west, north-east, south-east, south & south-west & west.......

    No, not the new normal. Fires in the SOTC happen every year. They get to devastating size because they don't cut the brush down like they used to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Yeah. We'll put YOU in charge.
    So. What is the first order of business ... raking the Forests?
    Cut away brush and vines. Don't let it get up into the canopy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Nukes?
    How would a nuke stop a snowstorm, hurricane, or earthquake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Very Trumpian of you. Do you know who owns the vast majority of the land on fire? Of course not. It is federal land and Trump should go out and rake the floor. The Federal govt. owns 57 p[recent of the forest land in Calif. I guess Trump better get out his trusty rake and clean off the floors.
    Wrong. It is the responsibility of the SOTC to maintain it's public lands, including BLM land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    Washington State is also on fire. Nature.
    True. Mostly up in the Methow Valley, and Lake Chelan area. Some down in the Apple Valley area. Unfortunately, high winds have also raised dust storms, so fire fighting aircraft can't assist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No, not the new normal. Fires in the SOTC happen every year. They get to devastating size because they don't cut the brush down like they used to.
    And because trees are smaller than they used to be because there are so many of them most likely.....they burn where as the big trees survive fire. I am surprised to learn that the BioMass per acre is actually down 20% from the 1930's when the forests were remade by Roosevelt's Tree Army.

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    Nobody ever talks about how the forests being such a wreck dates back partly to decisions made almost 90 years ago, for instance "Plant as many as you can, a growing nation needs timber!".

    It gets in the way of the global warming narrative.
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    Since there is almost no chance that the California forests will be properly managed they will for years to come be net releasers of CO2. We are going to have to wait till enough of them get burned that we dont have these massive fires most every year. Just another problem that has not been managed so we are going to have a cluster fuck for years to come. It is just another reason to leave California, to go someplace where the leaders do better.
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