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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    please attempt to do better.

    I believed in you once upon at time.
    Last edited by Hawkeye10; 09-19-2020 at 12:02 AM.
    I am going to go standing up, with my flag flying high for what I believe in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    There are many fires, but you think they are all arson, I am not the dumb one here, sub-genius.
    I never said that, stupid....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Yeah. We'll put YOU in charge.
    So. What is the first order of business ... raking the Forests?
    I didn't see you offer a solution.

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    Did you offer one??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    How do you stop Snowstorms, Hurricanes, or Earthquakes?
    Carbon credits. Yeah, that's the ticket.
    "Where the people fear the govt. you have tyranny. Where the govt. fears the people you have liberty."

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    Trump should do his job. The fed owns 57 percent of the forest land. Trump can get out his rake and sweep the forest "floor" Think what a great example that would be if there were no fires on Fed land.

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    Many states, especially in the west, are a clusterfuck of state, fed, county etc lands........ Almost none of it is really managed for fire, & what little is, is in it's infancy..

    State Federal land acreage Total state acreage Percentage of federal land
    Alabama 844,026 32,678,400 2.6%
    Alaska 223,803,098 365,481,600 61.2%
    Arizona 28,064,307 72,688,000 38.6%
    Arkansas 3,151,685 33,599,360 9.4%
    California 45,864,800 100,206,720 45.8%
    Colorado 23,870,652 66,485,760 35.9%
    Connecticut 8,752 3,135,360 0.3%
    Delaware 29,864 1,265,920 2.4%
    Florida 4,599,919 34,721,280 13.2%
    Georgia 1,474,225 37,295,360 4.0%
    Hawaii 820,725 4,105,600 20.0%
    Idaho 32,621,631 52,933,120 61.6%
    Illinois 411,387 35,795,200 1.1%
    Indiana 384,365 23,158,400 1.7%
    Iowa 122,076 35,860,480 0.3%
    Kansas 272,987 52,510,720 0.5%
    Kentucky 1,094,036 25,512,320 4.3%
    Louisiana 1,325,780 28,867,840 4.6%
    Maine 211,125 19,847,680 1.1%
    Maryland 197,894 6,319,360 3.1%
    Massachusetts 61,802 5,034,880 1.2%
    Michigan 3,633,323 36,492,160 10.0%
    Minnesota 3,491,586 51,205,760 6.8%
    Mississippi 1,546,433 30,222,720 5.1%
    Missouri 1,635,122 44,248,320 3.7%
    Montana 27,003,251 93,271,040 29.0%
    Nebraska 546,759 49,031,680 1.1%
    Nevada 59,681,502 70,264,320 84.9%
    New Hampshire 798,718 5,768,960 13.8%
    New Jersey 179,374 4,813,440 3.7%
    New Mexico 26,981,490 77,766,400 34.7%
    New York 104,590 30,680,960 0.3%
    North Carolina 2,429,341 31,402,880 7.7%
    North Dakota 1,736,611 44,452,480 3.9%
    Ohio 305,641 26,222,080 1.2%
    Oklahoma 701,365 44,087,680 1.6%
    Oregon 32,614,185 61,598,720 52.9%
    Pennsylvania 617,339 28,804,480 2.1%
    Rhode Island 5,157 677,120 0.8%
    South Carolina 846,420 19,374,080 4.4%
    South Dakota 2,642,601 48,881,920 5.4%
    Tennessee 1,273,175 26,727,680 4.8%
    Texas 2,998,280 168,217,600 1.8%
    Utah 34,202,920 52,696,960 64.9%
    Vermont 464,644 5,936,640 7.8%
    Virginia 2,514,596 25,496,320 9.9%
    Washington 12,176,293 42,693,760 28.5%
    West Virginia 1,133,587 15,410,560 7.4%
    Wisconsin 1,793,100 35,011,200 5.1%
    Wyoming 30,013,219 62,343,040 48.1%
    United States total 623,313,931 2,271,343,360 27.4%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    The Utilities are heavily regulated.....the blame for letting the utilities rot even as they charge some of the highest rates (maybe THE highest rates) in the country is all the fault of the states political leadership.

    But notice how they take none of the blame, they say it is all the fault of the utilities and global warming.

    Lying fucks is what they are, and the citizens let them get away with it so it will never improve.
    Look up Enron if you want to see where their high rates came from. Nobody stops power companies from upgrading and maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaz View Post
    One thing that could help CA is if members of the Sierra Club would all start getting struck by lightning. They've been lobbying Sacramento to oppose forest and vegetation management for years.
    Hahahaha! To explained why I laughed I have a good buddy from school who's a very liberal dude and his wife works for the Mayor of Oakland and is even more liberal than him. The Sierra Club came out recently against the proposed new stadium for the Oakland A's. I asked my buddy (he's a big A's fan as well) how much pull the Sierra Club has. His response:

    "My wife just informed me that nobody at the city gives a f*ck about the Sierra Club. Bunch of granola tree huggers. Cowards. Bums."


    I mean this is coming from a real liberal. LOL. I was dying when he texted that to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Hahahaha! To explained why I laughed I have a good buddy from school who's a very liberal dude and his wife works for the Mayor of Oakland and is even more liberal than him. The Sierra Club came out recently against the proposed new stadium for the Oakland A's. I asked my buddy (he's a big A's fan as well) how much pull the Sierra Club has. His response:

    "My wife just informed me that nobody at the city gives a f*ck about the Sierra Club. Bunch of granola tree huggers. Cowards. Bums."


    I mean this is coming from a real liberal. LOL. I was dying when he texted that to me.
    I am not a member of the Sierra club, but hike w/ them & know many that are...

    They have done much good.... You sir should be thankful, if for nothing else but your lovely stays up in the forests of Tahoe...... The streams you see going up & the critters your kids can find & see along the way......

    That said, perhaps it could be argued they have done to good of a job....

    There are some goals I adamantly oppose..

    Like the anti-logging, I guess one could blame much of the problem w/ forest fires squarely on their door step......

    Many are also opposed to controlled burns-insanity appearing to be ignorance-they should know better..........

    Many prefer a "pristine environment" but are totally clueless to what that means or entails......

    A few days ago in Colorado over 100,000 acres burned in just one day..................WTF??? I can not even imagine that, & we have seen lots of fires over the last 15-20 years......
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I am not a member of the Sierra club, but hike w/ them & know many that are...

    They have done much good.... You sir should be thankful, if for nothing else but your lovely stays up in the forests of Tahoe...... The streams you see going up & the critters your kids can find & see along the way......

    That said, perhaps it could be argued they have done to good of a job....

    There are some goals I adamantly oppose..

    Like the anti-logging, I guess one could blame much of the problem w/ forest fires squarely on their door step......

    Many are also opposed to controlled burns-insanity appearing to be ignorance-they should know better..........

    Many prefer a "pristine environment" but are totally clueless to what that means or entails......

    A few days ago in Colorado over 100,000 acres burned in just one day..................WTF??? I can not even imagine that, & we have seen lots of fires over the last 15-20 years......
    I honestly don’t pay much attention to the Sierra Club other than an instance like this when they cane out against the A’s new stadium. Fvxk them for that (my A’s fandom is strong).

    But to have someone as left-wing as my friend say what he did was an eye opener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I honestly don’t pay much attention to the Sierra Club other than an instance like this when they cane out against the A’s new stadium. Fvxk them for that (my A’s fandom is strong).

    But to have someone as left-wing as my friend say what he did was an eye opener.
    Well as a hiker & kayaker, I don't see it necessarily as a left right thing........ In the beginning it was the republicans, not the dems that were jung-ho about it.......

    Want to preserve, say national parks, isn't a left right issue, I hike w/ & see ppl of every persuasion out there.......

    Ppl projected that into the issue....... It makes no sense from a practical stand point... Hell, most the ones I know fish, hunt & own guns which are not seen as necessarily "leftest" activities..
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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