Lets get everybody on the record...
As Watermark aka emogeek was saying that it was the extremists on both sides that didnt want the bailout and that the moderates want the bailout....
Well lets see it.... How would you vote?
CK
I would argue its the moderates.... aka the ones that want to all get along, you rub my back I rub yours....
You vote for my earmark i vote for yours..... People who would rather make deals than stand on principles.....
People who sell out to make themselves rich..... These are the people that have failed America...
Not the people who take principled stands, either as liberal or as conservative against wasteful government standing....
CK
Against it---they threw a bit of candy in there--but it won't effect the bottom line (accept hurt it a bit--it is earmarks again--some spending--some tax breaks). I think we need to let it go down--and learn form the failed socialization ideology. Our economy has been sabatoged with irresponsible world trade. Many companys do not employ many people here now--and the rest that stayed, are struggeling, and probably not looking for a loan anyway. I think--if people are getting loans, the economy for our citizens over the last 10 years would have been on the upswing. Personally--I don't know anybody that is looking to buy stuff on a loan. Their ability to pay has been sabatoged. I think this is a Y2K scare in sorts, but with inevitable trickle down consequenses of a smaller degree than warned. Their world trade economy with world banks will fail--- but I will stay in business. My employee will still work here. Bottom line---if you don't live on debt for existance--it won't effect you much IMO.
People not making payroll? So employees do not get paid for a week or two--then get paid with funds available. Just a shift of payments of a couple of weeks.
If that means people hurt---and learn to tighten their belts--remember---it did not have to happen--we let it happen. Other nations though--that depend on socialism--may starve (which will help save the planet). They don't know how to take care of themselfs any better then the citizens of Iraq.
Personally--I think I will be fine in a major depression--I learned to depend on a government as little as possible. Have a nice trip.
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Jimmy Carter had the lowest % of people in his administration with any business exp at all @ 32%. Obama has 8% of his administration with any business exp at all. I have more business exp out of my one car garage than at least 92% of the obama administration.
The Government reciently said they would give tax breaks to small and med sized business so they can try to grow and hire--too bad it was not the USA, but China who reciently announced that.
You need to apologize to your kids.
Strongly against it! However, eventually one of these plans will pass.....
Geroge W. Bush is a false Christian, yet became a 2 term president. Mike Huckubee is a true Christian, yet has been ignored.
Jesus was a Socialist, therefore, so am I!
It is very likely, with both Presidential candidates voting for this as well as Biden, that this one will pass Congress without too much issue. They'll add a few more pages.
Page history of this bailout. Original had 3 pages, that increased to 42, then to a bit over 100, the Senate voted on a 451 page proposal. There are tax cut extensions, unfunded mandates on medical insurance forcing them to cover more psychological issues, there is political candy all over this. Had to grease those wheels.
*sigh*
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- -- Aristotle
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I was for it.
I felt the economy was on the brink, lets hope it wasnt too little too late.
Jimmy Carter had the lowest % of people in his administration with any business exp at all @ 32%. Obama has 8% of his administration with any business exp at all. I have more business exp out of my one car garage than at least 92% of the obama administration.
The Government reciently said they would give tax breaks to small and med sized business so they can try to grow and hire--too bad it was not the USA, but China who reciently announced that.
You need to apologize to your kids.
The huge donation to ACORN (a progressive voting community organization, that supports obama, that is under scrutiney in many states with pending investigations of voter fraud) was taken out. I can remember the amount, but I think it was in the hundreds of millions.
No wonder why obama did not show up. He was worried about himself and his friends at voter fraud ACORN. hmmmmmm
by the way--the leaders of ACORN say, if there is any voter fraud (has not been proven---yet--we are not talking about a clean Alaska gal here)--it is not their organizations fault--it is their employees fault.
what a bunch of "pointing fingers" leaders they are.
Jimmy Carter had the lowest % of people in his administration with any business exp at all @ 32%. Obama has 8% of his administration with any business exp at all. I have more business exp out of my one car garage than at least 92% of the obama administration.
The Government reciently said they would give tax breaks to small and med sized business so they can try to grow and hire--too bad it was not the USA, but China who reciently announced that.
You need to apologize to your kids.
This poll might serve as a more interesting study of the kind of people who vote in CK’s polls.
reluctantly for it. Dont forget the hundreds of billions we already spent on AIG (100?) Fannie and Freddy (hundreds)
This attacks what we think is root cause. Better then trying to bail out a never ending supply of bank-O-the-week-failures.
Q: Senator Obama, would you take the same pledge? No tax increases on people under $250,000?
OBAMA: I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I've been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes.
Jimmy Carter had the lowest % of people in his administration with any business exp at all @ 32%. Obama has 8% of his administration with any business exp at all. I have more business exp out of my one car garage than at least 92% of the obama administration.
The Government reciently said they would give tax breaks to small and med sized business so they can try to grow and hire--too bad it was not the USA, but China who reciently announced that.
You need to apologize to your kids.
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