Why Do Trump Supporters Believe Trump's Myths?

[Jarod]

He's not a "self-made" man. His dad was behind his early successes, and when he did branch out on his own (out of Brooklyn residential real estate via his father's business, Trump Management) and into the world of casinos and hotels, he buried himself in bankruptcy. His father would actually send his driver to Trump's casino to buy millions of dollars in chips just to help his son's business.

He's not a "success" or "qualified" in any sense.

Id love to see a psychological study on this question.

[StoneByStone]

Just lies in the course of his official duties. I'm sure all Trump supporters want to hear those. Tabloid gossip, not so much.
Irrelevant campaigning. It's stupid to even try to go there.

Just as I predicted. It doesn't matter what I say, because Trumpcucks don't care. When Trump lies, it's either that he didn't actually lie, or he did lie but it doesn't matter, or he was joking, or Obama lied too, and on and on.

It would be nice if Trumpcucks had the balls to admit this.

I'll tell you what. I'll stipulate Trump's "literally thousands of lies" if you'll stipulate that none of them amount to a hill of beans, that Trump detractors are exercising hyperbole and petty gossip to get their own TDS classified as "lying" on Trump's part.

First of all, to paraphrase the Blacks, All Lies Matter. Any lies, even seemingly unimportant ones, hurt the credibility of the person telling them. If they'll like about small things, they'll lie about big things. What's so terrible about Trump is that by him lying constantly, he's drastically lowered the bar for what is acceptable behavior for a president. When Obama lied, it was a big deal. But now, because of Trump, we're desensitized to the president lying. Trump lies and we all just roll our eyes and joke about how he lies all the time. Is this really what we want the norm to be? What if one day AOC is president? Trump has normalized pathological lying so much that any future president will be able to lie constantly too, including President AOC.

Secondly, Trump's lies do have real world consequences. He lied about children being almost immune to corona, people believed him enough to open schools, and a bunch of kids got infected. He lied about 99% of corona cases being "totally harmless" and people have been using that as a reason to not wear masks. He lied about mail-in voting, and now there's a movement to stop mail-in voting. And his constant lies about his political opponents do hurt their reputations.
We know he's lying, but a lot of especially low IQ people actually do take him seriously. They believe him when he says Biden wants to shut down churches and didn't do anything while he worked in government.

Admit it. You have deluded yourself into thinking that Sniffy-Joe Biden, a man for whom nobody wants to vote, is somehow going to clobber Trump who has an entire energized nation chomping at the bit to vote for him ... and that when Trump wins with more that 300 electoral votes, you are going to be stunned and reduced to tears as though you never saw it coming. Tell me, what will be the polite thing for me to say to you at that time?

I actually think Trump is going to win. I'm not a Democrat or a fan of Biden, but he would obviously be the lesser evil to Trump and his Fascism. But whatever, I've already accepted Trump will get reelected.

Have you picked out a good safe-space in which to scream?

So I have some bad news. If you came to this forum looking for SJW cucks to troll, you're going to be very disappointed. For the most part, the SJW is a caricature created by far-right media. They barely exist in the real world.

[BattleofHodow]

Great news! Your gross mischaracterization of Trump supporters as being "slavish" is just more TDS-compelled dishonesty. Ergo, you can feel free to tell me the truth about how Trump has lied ... but please restrict the lies to those of substance regarding his official duties, which do not include campaigning or social media activity.

Just lies in the course of his official duties. I'm sure all Trump supporters want to hear those. Tabloid gossip, not so much.


Irrelevant campaigning. It's stupid to even try to go there.



No we don't. Neither of us does. However, neither of us has any reason to believe it either. It's campaigning and as you point out, only actions matter. Lying to the American people in the course of official Presidential duties, however, is a big deal. Has Trump done any of that? Let's stick to that. If he hasn't then let's make this subthread really short and just end it on that note.


I'll tell you what. I'll stipulate Trump's "literally thousands of lies" if you'll stipulate that none of them amount to a hill of beans, that Trump detractors are exercising hyperbole and petty gossip to get their own TDS classified as "lying" on Trump's part.

Deal?


... or did he misspeak, intending to say his grandfather was born in Germany? If you have TDS, you are compelled to insist that Trump LIED. Those who are Trump supporters are smart enough to realize he meant his grandfather. Don't think that the amazing insignificance of this point is somehow lost on me. Only someone with TDS would dwell on something so trivial.


We can be sure that he didn't try to claim to be born in Hawaii.



You implied that you can read our minds. So, mindreader, of what word am I thinking at the moment?


The truth is that we like how he is completely honest with the American people in the performance of his official duties. We also appreciate the jokes he plays on leftists who have lost all sense of humor and are too stupid to realize when they are being played. It looks like your mind-reading is in need of a serious tune-up.


A rising tide raises all boats. A great economy doesn't filter out particular political parties. Every independent thinker appreciates what Trump has done for him regarding the economy. Dullards and TDS'ers can't perform deductive reasoning to the required degree.


Your mindreading and your headlights are out. You are driving blind.

Seriously, your mischaracterizations of Trump supporters are egregious. It's like I have been saying since 2016 ... Democrats haven't the vaguest idea why Trump won; as such, they will double down on their losing tactics and Trump is already reelected. Also based on how utterly stupid and gullibe Democrats and leftists were in eating up the polls that were obviously lying ... because they simply told Democrats and leftists what they so desperately wanted to hear/read in order to sell newspapers and news stories ... that I predicted the exact same thing would happen in 2020 as the media tries to build on their past success of exploiting the stupid. Guess what? All the polls have Biden winning by solid margins, exactly what stupid leftists NEED to hear/read, and they are lapping it up like a cat drinking fresh milk, despite this being Biden we're talking about. Too funny.

Admit it. You have deluded yourself into thinking that Sniffy-Joe Biden, a man for whom nobody wants to vote, is somehow going to clobber Trump who has an entire energized nation chomping at the bit to vote for him ... and that when Trump wins with more that 300 electoral votes, you are going to be stunned and reduced to tears as though you never saw it coming. Tell me, what will be the polite thing for me to say to you at that time?

Polls are meant to sell news stories and to generate clicks, not to be accurate or truthful. Nobody actually wants to vote for Biden, including one-third of blacks. Bernie supporters will either not vote or will use the occasion to write-in "SANDERS" as a protest. Black support for Trump, on the other hand, will be unprecedented for a Republican over the last fifty years.


Have you picked out a good safe-space in which to scream?

Honest question, how does Trump still have devout supporters?

Considering Trump's to the Left of Obama by implemented policy, he's well outdone Obama on Stimulus freebies & debt, but Obama outdid Trump on deporting undocumented immigrants.

Democrat Clinton looks very Conservative compared to Trump, he was for welfare reform, balanced the debt much better, and deported more undocumented immigrants too!

[BattleofHodow]

Why? Because they are poorly educated and have lower IQ's

You don't really want to have a discussion on IQ, do you/?

[IBDaMann]

Honest question, how does Trump still have devout supporters?

Honest question, why do you HATE the United States?
Honest question, why should Americans want to make the US more like Poland?

Considering Trump's to the Left of Obama by implemented policy, he's well outdone Obama on Stimulus freebies & debt,

Honest question, when were you planning on taking a basic course on how the US government works?

Democrat Clinton looks very Conservative compared to Trump,

he was for welfare reform, balanced the debt much better, and deported more undocumented immigrants too![/QUOTE]
Honest question, how did Clinton balance the budget as President?
Honest question, how does a greater number of deportations by ICE reflect a more "conservative" President?
Honest question, doesn't a greater number of deportations signal a greater number of apprehended illegal immigrants?
Honest question, how many miles of border wall did Clinton build?

[BattleofHodow]

There's too many lowlifes in the USA, in their own right the Hicks (Anglo-Saxon descendants) are bad enough, even if we got rid of all of the minorities, they'd still have a murder rate about 3 times higher than Poland does, and still would be for death by war, Covid & by poverty.

Sprinkle in multiculturalism, and the USA in many portions becomes nearly unliveable.

[BattleofHodow]

Trump signed off on Stinulus & wanted his name on it & letter approval. LMFAO.

Now, it's so funny to see the Republicans who complained about Obama's Stimulus & debt, now welcome Trump's.

Trump's Stimulus is even bigger & more Socialist than Obama's, Obama's was more like public works, while Trump's giving so many people free money, including people like my parents that don't even need it!

Now Trump's pushing for a 122 million women's initiative.

Between farmer freebies, and Stimulus freebies, and now Women's iniatives, Trump has given out like 2.4 trillion... Well above that of Obama.

[IBDaMann]

Just as I predicted. It doesn't matter what I say, because ...

... because you refuse to be rational. Your TDS has consumed you and you simply cannot engage in honest debate. I lay this out for you every post and as you can see, your TDS does not let it sink in. You are the only one blissfully unaware of your mental handicap. You are the only one who doesn't understand why you are eternally confused and frustrated.

You have decided to denigrate an entire class of people for what? ... for not embracing your cognitive dysfunction as well. You call all rational people "Trumpcuck" and spend your time maligning them. What chance do you think you have of being able to muster any sort of rational dialogue?

Let's give a rundown for those who are just tuning in and who aren't familiar with you.

You have an extreme form of Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS). Those who might have wondered if TDS is actually a thing can use you as an excellent case study and verify that it is very real. You have become cognitively disabled on all topics that involve Trump. You are incapable of being honest. You are incapable of being rational. You are incapable of being reasonable. When you talk about Trump, you aren't talking about Donald J. Trump, President of the United States. Your mind instead invokes images of some horror movie spider-vampire-demon-Godzilla-Satan who geniously crafts brilliant strategies to manipulate vast swaths of people (but not you because you're too smart to fall for his schemes) while he is simultaneously more stupid and mindless than the walking dead. To you, everything that Trump says is "LIES! LIES! LIES!" If Trump says "It's a beautiful day" you will claim that Trump "obviously lied" about it being a beautiful day and you will perform world-class mental contortions in order to convince yourself that it is somehow a schitty day, to validate in your own mind that Trump always "LIES! LIES! LIES!" You are incapable of acknowledging anything positive regarding Trump, be it an accomplishment, be it an assessment of a situation, be it a plan he has to make America great, ... anything whatsoever. You and I demonstrated this by showing how you simply cannot even bring yourself to string words together just to give credit to Trump where it is due. As such, you are forced to demonize and hold in contempt all people who do not similarly behave in the same dishonest, irrational and totally unreasonable manner.

There is no reason I can give to anyone to lend any credence to any commentary you have if Trump might be even remotely associated.

First of all, to paraphrase the Blacks, All Lies Matter.

Too funny.

1. The phrase "All Lies Matter" is an extension on the phrase "Black Lies Matter" which was spawned by detractors of Black Lives Matter, not by "The Blacks" (whoever that is).
2. Black Lives Matter is roughly 65-70% caucasian (and they demand "reparations")
3. Your use of the phrase "to paraphrase the Blacks" is a sign that you are a bigot. Your prior comment about how "the Jews" like to employ insidious tactics of sowing division amongs caucasians reveals your propensity towards bigotry.
4. It is not the case that all lies matter. I have explained to you, as an example, that campaign/rally statements and characterizations are always more art and emotion than attempts at objectivity. You know this. Nonetheless, your hyper-TDS requires you to focus on campaign/rally statements and to classify Trump's as "LIES! LIES! LIES!" I'm sorry, Trump's statements don't matter; not at all. You'll notice that you don't similarly bitch and whine and moan and complain and gripe about anyone else's campaign/rally statements, past or present. Why is that? Oh, that's right, you don't have any mental debilitations regarding any other person.

Any lies, even seemingly unimportant ones, hurt the credibility of the person telling them.

Nope. Not when Trump is speaking facetiously in order to completely tool his detractors who have TDS. He gains immense credibility with rational people by exposing how his detractors are humorless, mindless dumbasses who can be easily manipulated by a stupid tweet. Trump tweets "Oh yeah, I'll take care of that during my third term" and suddenly it's the only thing discussed, in paranoid fashion, by the TDS-ridden mainstream media and those on social media who suffer from TDS, compelling them to dwell on irrelevant minutia and to ignore all other topics of importance in the world. Trump puts people's TDS on display like no one else can while rational people the world over see all this and realize that they don't ever want to be like Trump's detractors. In fact, rational people are having "Do Not Resuscitate" orders drawn up to enable doctors/family to pull their plugs with dignity in the unfortunate event they should, God forbid, ever happen to succumb to TDS.

If they'll like about small things, they'll lie about big things.

Correct. You lie about every small thing. You, of course, lie about the big things as well.

Secondly, Trump's lies do have real world consequences.

... and you STILL have not made mention of even one "lie" of substance pertaining to Trump's official duties as President, because you know of none and you have no rational basis for believing that Trump has ever intended to deceive the American People. Your TDS, however, compels you to babble as much.

He lied about children being almost immune to corona, people believed him enough to open schools, and a bunch of kids got infected. He lied about 99% of corona cases being "totally harmless" and people have been using that as a reason to not wear masks. He lied about mail-in voting, and now there's a movement to stop mail-in voting. And his constant lies about his political opponents do hurt their reputations.

You don't know what you are talking about. Now you are lying just to satisfy your TDS compulsions.

I actually think Trump is going to win. I'm not a Democrat or a fan of Biden, but he would obviously be the lesser evil to Trump and his Fascism.

We just went over this and we had to stop because we reached the point that your political brainwashing requires a healthy dose of historical and political revisionism just so you can make it through the day, such as believing that NAZIs were somehow not socialist, believing that there is somehow a difference between ANTIFA/BLM and Hitler's brown shirts, that Karl Marx stated things in the Communist Manifesto and in Das Kapital that do not appear in either, etc.. By everything you have professed, Biden would be one huge step towards transforming the US into another Venezuela ... and your TDS forces you to conclude that that would be better than having Trump for another term.

Rational people can see that your TDS does not serve you well, nor does it serve the American people. This is why you believe that rational people will prevail and that Trump will win.

But whatever, I've already accepted Trump will get reelected.

... and instead of being happy, your TDS debilitation forces you to be miserable.

So I have some bad news. If you came to this forum looking for SJW cucks to troll, you're going to be very disappointed. For the most part, the SJW is a caricature created by far-right media. They barely exist in the real world.

Do you know what's even funnier? There are even fewer KKK in the country, ... on the order of one tenth of one percent of the number of SJWs ... yet leftists focus all of their arguments on this one particular irrelevant, powerless speck of society, revealing how immaterial leftist arguments are.

[Truth Detector]

Fred Trump built Donald. Donald was the birdie who flew out of the golden nest and crashed, repeatedly, onto the sidewalk. (Trump isn't even a billionaire, btw. He may only be worth $100 million at most.) A lot of Trump's wealth is illusion, and he rode that illusion all the way to the White House.

If we gave a moron like you a million dollars; you would be poor in a few short years and most likely, still a triggered leftist moron on steroids. Cry harder you triggered leftist loon.

[Truth Detector]

And you are unable to post a single one of them, asshole. You are all hot air and no substance, so get lost.

Fuck off and die you triggered mental case. No one would miss you.

[IBDaMann]

Now, it's so funny to see the Republicans who complained about Obama's Stimulus & debt, now welcome Trump's.

Seriously, when were you planning on taking a course in US government to learn how it works? There are some pretty big differences between the US and Poland and you might want to learn those before you post about such matters.

Trump's Stimulus is even bigger & more Socialist than Obama's,

Neither Trump nor Obama have ever decided any budgets. Congress does that.

While you are waiting to take your course, you can read up on the US Constitution here: https://politiplex.freeforums.net/post/126. Article 1 gives the complete rundown on the purview of Congress and Article 2 gives the complete rundown on the purview of the President.

Obama's was more like public works, while Trump's giving so many people free money, including people like my parents that don't even need it!

Perhaps you meant to write "... while Pelosi's giving so many people free money, including people like my parents that don't even need it!"

Now Trump's pushing for a 122 million women's initiative.

Perhaps you meant to write "Now Pelosi's pushing for a $122 million women's initiative."

Between farmer freebies, and Stimulus freebies, and now Women's iniatives, Trump has given out like 2.4 trillion... Well above that of Obama.

Perhaps you meant to write "Between farmer freebies, and Stimulus freebies, and now Women's iniatives, Pelosi has given out like 2.4 trillion... Well above that of Obama."

I don't know if you are aware but Pelosi is in Congress and is the Speaker of the House. Her approval is required in what any budget holds. The President gets to make suggestions but Congress takes those suggestions and completely disregards them, crafting the budget purely as they please and the President gets absolutely no say in the matter.

Yes, the President can try to veto a budget but he has to have a good reason or he will be overridden by the same Congress that crafted the budget in the first place.

[Truth Detector]

I know it's too much to ask you to read it. If you don't have the money, I can purchase a digital copy for you, but you probably lack the focus to read a book.

I don't read lie filled treatises by whiny triggered children who take advantage of triggered leftist loons who gobble up lies based on their misplaced TDS. Run along; life is too short for your special brand of loon.

[TexanManWithPlans]

If we gave a moron like you a million dollars; you would be poor in a few short years and most likely, still a triggered leftist moron on steroids. Cry harder you triggered leftist loon.

Nah. I'd invest that million dollars in certain stocks and keep reinvesting future dividends.

I've been maxing out or almost maxing out my IRA each year since I was 19. I would invest that $1mil in all the industries that are currently suffering due to COVID-19, and once those industries bounce back, I'd make that million several times over.

[IBDaMann]

There's too many lowlifes in the USA, in their own right the Hicks (Anglo-Saxon descendants) are bad enough, even if we got rid of all of the minorities, they'd still have a murder rate about 3 times higher than Poland does, and still would be for death by war, Covid & by poverty.

Sprinkle in multiculturalism, and the USA in many portions becomes nearly unliveable.

Question: What do 1492 and 1776 have in common?

Answer: They are adjoining rooms in the Warsaw Hilton.

[TexanManWithPlans]

I don't read lie filled treatises by whiny triggered children who take advantage of triggered leftist loons who gobble up lies based on their misplaced TDS. Run along; life is too short for your special brand of loon.

Your loss. The book is entertaining and informative, and it's a short read.