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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    So? It was a big deal. A large majority voted for her and Trump is really awful, thats why they are upset.
    Are you still upset about Crooked Hillary losing by an irrelevant metric that doesn't elect Presidents in this country? What kind of example are you setting for your chillen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    So what is the fundamental difference, why does the right sustain hate radio while the left does not?
    Why does the Right promote lunatic candidates to high office?
    What is the difference that makes this result?
    Leftists suck on radio. You have finally given up on it. They aren't funny. They aren't entertaining.

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    Hello Jarod,

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    So what is the fundamental difference, why does the right sustain hate radio while the left does not?
    Why does the Right promote lunatic candidates to high office?
    What is the difference that makes this result?
    It's the altruism found on the left, but missing from the right. In it's place on the right is a selfishness which manifests into glorification of personal rights. It is now exaggerated into the right to hate government and disbelieve the news with a tendency to believe in unsupported conspiracy theories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Jarod,

    It's the altruism found on the left, but missing from the right. In it's place on the right is a selfishness which manifests into glorification of personal rights. It is now exaggerated into the right to hate government and disbelieve the news with a tendency to believe in unsupported conspiracy theories.
    LOL. Dude, you're going to give me diabetes posting like that. Granted the Left is more motherly and the Right is more fatherly. Granted the Left is more nurturing and the Right stern, "stand on your own two feet". Too much of either is bad. Finding a good balance is best.

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    Hello Dutch Uncle,

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    LOL. Dude, you're going to give me diabetes posting like that. Granted the Left is more motherly and the Right is more fatherly. Granted the Left is more nurturing and the Right stern, "stand on your own two feet". Too much of either is bad. Finding a good balance is best.

    Totally agreed on that. The left and the right need to work together to keep each other in check. But for that to happen, each must stop dehumanizing the other and remember we are all Americans and our fate is shared. That used to be far more possible before hate radio and internet hate peddlers. The left is not the boogie man, nor is the left the enemy, nor does it deserve to be ridiculed nor hated. But you cannot tell that to most of the right, which, inexplicably, seems to want to demonize half the country. How the right figures America can function without the cohesive mutual respect of most is completely overlooked. Part of the problem is that there is a lot of money to be made making up lies and putting sensationalized conspiracy theories out there. Just ask Alex Jones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Dutch Uncle,



    Totally agreed on that. The left and the right need to work together to keep each other in check. But for that to happen, each must stop dehumanizing the other and remember we are all Americans and our fate is shared. That used to be far more possible before hate radio and internet hate peddlers. The left is not the boogie man, nor is the left the enemy, nor does it deserve to be ridiculed nor hated. But you cannot tell that to most of the right, which, inexplicably, seems to want to demonize half the country. How the right figures America can function without the cohesive mutual respect of most is completely overlooked. Part of the problem is that there is a lot of money to be made making up lies and putting sensationalized conspiracy theories out there. Just ask Alex Jones.
    Agreed they need to stop fighting. I think it's a phase and will work itself out. The nation can't operate like this. We sure as shit don't want to look as fucked up as Italy, Greece or Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    It's already been tried in 2016 and she lost. Oddly, the stupid one won. Maybe Americans aren't as stupid as some like to think.

    Yeah, yeah, we know. For the last damn time, hillary won the POPULAR vote, not the electoral. Just let it go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I have reasons why I do not think it would happen, but I can see some scenarios where its possible.


    What do you think and why, could a radical liberal firebrand ever get elected President of the United States?
    Would enough radical liberals support a firebrand who lied and cheated every inch of the way, just to get some supreme court seats and a bit of legislation passed?

    The difference for me is that many Republicans are money based and more Liberals are ideology based. If you are an idealist you are less likely to tolerate despicable behavior. Liberals supported Clinton, but that was bad behavior unrelated to the structure of the government and unrelated to his job. Trump is different because much of his bad behavior is actively tearing down the structures of government designed to limit the power of a despot.
    What do you think?
    if he/she would be against globalist stupidity, yes. this is what it's all about, china, globalism and bad trade deals.

    bernie was solid on those issues. he had a better chance than hillary, but internationalist fascism is more important to the dnc than anything else, so they fucked bernie over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinectes View Post
    Yeah, yeah, we know. For the last damn time, hillary won the POPULAR vote, not the electoral. Just let it go.
    Dude, maybe you're the one that needs to let go and start thinking for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I have reasons why I do not think it would happen, but I can see some scenarios where its possible.


    What do you think and why, could a radical liberal firebrand ever get elected President of the United States?
    Would enough radical liberals support a firebrand who lied and cheated every inch of the way, just to get some supreme court seats and a bit of legislation passed?

    The difference for me is that many Republicans are money based and more Liberals are ideology based. If you are an idealist you are less likely to tolerate despicable behavior. Liberals supported Clinton, but that was bad behavior unrelated to the structure of the government and unrelated to his job. Trump is different because much of his bad behavior is actively tearing down the structures of government designed to limit the power of a despot.
    What do you think?
    The premise of the question is that Trump is a radical conservative firebrand, and he's not. Trump's appeal isn't political, it's personal. As a political leader Trump is ridiculous. He is a cartoon character come to life. But his bombastic self promotion sells to a broad segment of voters as much or almost as much as it repels others, including genuine conservatives. So I think your question is could a liberal autocrat get elected?, which is a contradiction in terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Jarod,



    It's the altruism found on the left, but missing from the right. In it's place on the right is a selfishness which manifests into glorification of personal rights. It is now exaggerated into the right to hate government and disbelieve the news with a tendency to believe in unsupported conspiracy theories.
    The less reality based your ideology becomes the less you can hold onto both truth and belief. If you hold onto an incorrect belief you must eventually grow to hate truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    The premise of the question is that Trump is a radical conservative firebrand, and he's not. Trump's appeal isn't political, it's personal. As a political leader Trump is ridiculous. He is a cartoon character come to life. But his bombastic self promotion sells to a broad segment of voters as much or almost as much as it repels others, including genuine conservatives. So I think your question is could a liberal autocrat get elected?, which is a contradiction in terms.
    You make a good point, Trump* is not true to traditional conservatism.. but he is true to the neo-conservative non-reality based angry lashing out, which the liberals are somehow able to keep relegated to the lower levels of their elected politics. What I am asking is why?

    20th Century Conservatism has always had a bit of a bent toward autocracy, and authoritarianism and my question is why does their organization bend that way when the other side is more able to keep that shit farther away from leadership?
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    Hello Dutch Uncle,

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed they need to stop fighting. I think it's a phase and will work itself out. The nation can't operate like this. We sure as shit don't want to look as fucked up as Italy, Greece or Russia.
    Hasn't that ship already sailed?

    Our dysfunction has things pretty screwed up already.

    And I don't see any way around the right to free speech which would curtail hate peddlers.

    They are going to whip up the worst emotions of the impressionable, sell product, and care not for the damage they do to our national psyche.

    American unity is shattered and I can frankly see no way to rekindle it.
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    Hello Jarod,

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    The less reality based your ideology becomes the less you can hold onto both truth and belief. If you hold onto an incorrect belief you must eventually grow to hate truth.
    Or simply lose track of what it means. The term seems to be completely meaningless to DT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Dutch Uncle,



    Hasn't that ship already sailed?

    Our dysfunction has things pretty screwed up already.

    And I don't see any way around the right to free speech which would curtail hate peddlers.

    They are going to whip up the worst emotions of the impressionable, sell product, and care not for the damage they do to our national psyche.

    American unity is shattered and I can frankly see no way to rekindle it.
    It goes through phases for sure. There are things that could happen that would result in unity. A Pearl Harbor with a different president would rekindle unity. As long as people like Trump* are even on the sidelines stoking ridiculous conspiracy theories, such as birtherism and such, unity is going to be very difficult. There are enough mentally ill wannabe authoritarians (Trumps* base) in this country that it becomes disruptive.
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