Bombs dropped on Japan saved millions of lives

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So? Your point?

I was responding to the guy that said Eisenhower only talked to Stimson, when in fact he made his opposition plain to Truman as well. That's my point!!

[Into the Night]

There are a lot of completely immoral, condemnable & rogue actions that "work" and are "effective."

It's more about what kind of nation we want America to be.

One that wins a war if a nation attacks us.

[Into the Night]

Yep. Plenty of innocent mice who had nothing to do with the military bases.

None. There are no innocent mice.

[Irish]

Thought everyone knew this.

[Into the Night]

Incorrect. Other nations have tested their own nuclear weapons and showed they had no qualms on using them against the USA and any other countries.

See Cold War.

They have never used them in combat. We are the only nation to do so. Semantics fallacy.

[Irish]

Thought everyone knew this.

Oh that's right, schools don't teach history anymore. Only social justice, and grievances.

[AProudLefty]

They have never used them in combat. We are the only nation to do so. Semantics fallacy.

Duh?

[AProudLefty]

None. There are no innocent mice.

Tell that to my Japanese friend's grandparents and great-grandparents.

[Anvil Kasseri]

I suggest that you read this before pontificating, there was plenty of opposition to using nuclear weapons.

Not among military leaders. And what non-military opposition there was never reached Truman's ears.

Eisenhower met with Henry Stimson and Harry Truman in July 1945 to voice his grave misgivings before the bombs were dropped,

No he didn't. He only met Stimson.

Ike didn't meet to voice his misgivings. They were having lunch. Stimson raised the subject and asked for his opinion.

It was indeed in July, but it was after the final orders to drop the bombs had already been sent out to the military, and after Stimson had departed the Potsdam conference.

Stimson was not in contact with Truman again until after Hiroshima had already been bombed. Not that it would have mattered. Ike failed to convince Stimson.

so stop lying!!

Everything that I've posted is completely true.

“There was one additional matter on which Eisenhower gave Truman advice that was ignored. It concerned the use of the atomic bomb. Eisenhower first heard of the bomb during the Potsdam Conference; from that moment on, until his death, it occupied, along with the Russians, a central position in his thinking. …

“When [Secretary of War] Stimson said the United States proposed to use the bomb against Japan, Eisenhower voiced ‘… grave misgivings….’ Three days later, on July 20, Eisenhower flew to Berlin, where he met with Truman and his principal advisors. Again Eisenhower recommended against using the bomb, and again was ignored.”[7]

This quoted text is untrue. Ike never spoke to Truman about the use of the A-bombs.

It appears that the quote was sourced from Gar Alperovitz. He is a known fraud who has been busted for concocting many falsehoods about the A-bombs.

I was responding to the guy that said Eisenhower only talked to Stimson, when in fact he made his opposition plain to Truman as well. That's my point!!

Your point is wrong. Ike never spoke to Truman about the A-bombs.

Being wrong is a frequent peril whenever relying on Gar Alperovitz as a source.

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Not among military leaders. And what non-military opposition there was never reached Truman's ears.



No he didn't. He only met Stimson.

Ike didn't meet to voice his misgivings. They were having lunch. Stimson raised the subject and asked for his opinion.

It was indeed in July, but it was after the final orders to drop the bombs had already been sent out to the military, and after Stimson had departed the Potsdam conference.

Stimson was not in contact with Truman again until after Hiroshima had already been bombed. Not that it would have mattered. Ike failed to convince Stimson.



Everything that I've posted is completely true.



This quoted text is untrue. Ike never spoke to Truman about the use of the A-bombs.

It appears that the quote was sourced from Gar Alperovitz. He is a known fraud who has been busted for concocting many falsehoods about the A-bombs.



Your point is wrong. Ike never spoke to Truman about the A-bombs.

Being wrong is a frequent peril whenever relying on Gar Alperovitz as a source.

Give me a break, you're so misinformed!!

At the Potsdam Conference in July 1945, General Eisenhower was among those who opposed the use of the atomic bomb against the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He argued that Japan was on the verge of surrender already, and that being the first to use such a fearsome new weapon would damage U.S. prestige in the international community just as it had reached its highest point.

https://www.history.com/topics/us-pr...t-d-eisenhower

[Nordberg]

there were plenty of militrary people who did not want the bomb used. https://www.historycrunch.com/reason...f-japan.html#/ Truman had his mind made up. It was not needed. The Japanese were already in peace negotiations. These people did not include religious leaders, scientists and many other Americans. America was not only the first country to drop an Abomb in the middle of a city, but we did it twice.

[Bill]

Bombs dropped on Japan saved millions of lives

"War is horrible. People are killed, maimed, emotionally destroyed. Property is destroyed, wealth is consumed. Even the winners lose in protracted wars. In war, the best way to lessen the suffering is to end the war quickly.

This is why the United States and Japan should celebrate the anniversaries of August 6 and 9, 1945. The atomic bombs we dropped on those dates quickly brought WWII to an end saving many millions of lives.

WWII in the Pacific was particularly savage. The Japanese believed in death before dishonor, and surrender was considered dishonorable.

In the battles on island after island thousands of Japanese fought to the death, typically taking one American life for every 4 to 5 Japanese soldier deaths. Typically fewer than 5 percent of Japanese soldiers were captured, usually only those too sick or weak to fight or commit suicide. Many Japanese civilians on these islands died helping their soldiers or committed suicide; the videos of Japanese adults and children jumping off cliffs to their deaths are heartbreaking.

The 73 million Japanese prepared to defend their almost 146,000 square mile homeland to the last man, woman, and child. Everyone who could fight was being trained and armed; children were taught to fight with spears. The death toll promised to be horrendous.

The atomic bombs convinced the Japanese to surrender before the invasion.

While the death toll from the atomic bombs was high, Hiroshima 80,000 and Nagasaki 40,000, they were not extreme in WWII. For example, the March 9-10, 1945 bombing raid on Tokyo took about 100,000 lives, the raids on Hamburg took about 42,000 lives, the raids on London took perhaps 50,000 lives.
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Compared to the perhaps 60-70 million Japanese that might have died in the invasion of Japan, the death toll from the atomic bombs was low and a small price to pay for the lives saved.

The quick Japanese surrender provided other benefits. Had the Soviet Union joined the invasion as planned, Japan may have been divided into US and Soviet sectors, like Germany, and changed the whole post-war history in Asia.

Perhaps more importantly the world saw the destructiveness of these primitive bombs. These convinced the civilized world to avoid use of atomic, now nuclear, weapons.

There are at least 150,000 American soldiers and perhaps a few million descendants of those soldiers who lived because President Truman dropped the atomic bombs on Japan. The Japanese people have even more reason to celebrate August 6 and 9, 1945 because nearly every Japanese citizen that lived or was born after WWII owes their lives to those bombs."
https://www.fosters.com/news/2017080...lions-of-lives

MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD DROP BOMBS ON YOUR HOUSE & SAVE MILLIONS......

It is always easy to sacrifice the lives of other ppl to presumably save lives of our loved ones, especially since their lives are of much less value..........

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MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD DROP BOMBS ON YOUR HOUSE & SAVE MILLIONS......

It is always easy to sacrifice the lives of other ppl to presumably save lives of our loved ones, especially since their lives are of much less value..........

Whilst I still think the A-bombs on Japan were unnecessary I should oint out that Americans never experienced mass bombing campaigns on their cities like London, Sheffield, Southampton, Belfast, Coventry, Hull and Liverpool or indeed Germany.

[Anvil Kasseri]

At the Potsdam Conference in July 1945, General Eisenhower was among those who opposed the use of the atomic bomb against the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He argued that Japan was on the verge of surrender already, and that being the first to use such a fearsome new weapon would damage U.S. prestige in the international community just as it had reached its highest point.

This article is incorrect. No one spoke out at the Potsdam Conference against using the A-bombs. Not Ike. Not anyone else.

No one at any point during the war advised Truman against using the A-bombs. Not Ike. Not anyone else.

[Anvil Kasseri]

there were plenty of militrary people who did not want the bomb used.

How come there are no records of this alleged opposition?

Truman had his mind made up.

Maybe so. But there is also the fact that not a single person advised him not to use the A-bombs.

It was not needed.

Sure it was. Japan was still refusing to surrender.

The Japanese were already in peace negotiations.

No they weren't.