Götterdämmerung -- The Twilight of the Gods

[ThatOwlWoman]

Should we let Don know to not rest his knee on his neck, that you are trying to revive him, not murder him??

I think we might need to. lol

[ThatOwlWoman]

When all is said and done, there are just two sides of the war that makes up the current political landscape. Regardless off what a great person you may be, how beautiful the great white north is, or how smart you are, you are recognized politically as one of the two sides.

If that was even remotely true, then I'm glad that I am on the side of progress, humanity, and ethics.

[Bill]

I think we might need to. lol

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Which is why competition, often through capitalism but sometimes through governments, is good. Is there any doubt that the major nations are competing to be the first to provide a viable vaccine for COVID-19? So much competition, in fact, that both Russia and China tried to hack their way into medical centers researching it?

Competition can be very good. If we want to be #1 or stay #1, then, as you pointed out, have to earn that spot.

Capitalism is a good thing and so is the kind of socialism that provides a safety net.

The measure of a nation is not how rich the richest can become.

It is how well the poorest are doing.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Trump should certainly be held accountable for the actions of the Executive branch as should those in the Legislative branch for America's failure to respond to a national crisis.

Ultimately it is the voters who are responsible, and must pay the price of mistakes.

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

To know is to be cursed.

No it isn't. It is to be empowered with knowledge.

That knowledge will undoubtedly spur you to vote.

Imagine if millions more Americans had the same knowledge.

We have to spread the word far and wide.

[Doc Dutch]

Well back to the strawman....... There are far more than two sides.... We have well over 300 million ppl & to say we get only two choices is ludicrous.. Small countries like Japan, Israel, Germany etc get a lot more choices.... THAT IS A LIE PERPETUATED BY THOSE TWO PARTIES....... fuck them both!!!

There is no civil war, you been listening to to much hate radio & tv.......... Get out on your own side of the road & make up your own damn mind.........

The world aint black & white......

Sad you listed off all the forces you believe are destroying the economy, but left off the one that has repeatedly destroyed it-wallstreet, the bankers etc.... The same ones that sold our jobs to china...........

Smell the roses along the way, enjoy your journey, one never knows when it may end..........Attachment 16483

Well said and agreed. About 60% of Americans belong to one of the two major parties. They are the ones directly responsible for selecting their nominees....with 2016 being a noted exception due to DNC corruption and HIllary's Foundation money. The fact the best candidate the Democrats could find was Biden is shocking enough but the fact the Republicans continue to applaud Trump's nuttiness is even more shocking.

We all know about getting the government we deserve so now all we can do is stay informed, vote and hope our nation can unfuck itself in our lifetimes.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Bill,

Very, very well said, thank you..............Attachment 16482


Feel rather sad about it but it is what it is

Howard Zinn the late great Historian use to ask, "why can't we just be #2" in this or that, like military, we can still destroy the planet two or three times...

Now we are @ the doorstep looking in, not how I envisioned it, & honestly not gave it a lot of thought up till the last several months.

Que sera sera...

For most of recorded history Asia, & more specifically China & India have been responsible for about half the world's GDP, arguably.. So perhaps it was inevitable??

It seems likely to late to alter the trajectory of their economies~or our own..

Hopefully it will come about peacefully..

The USA/west spent the last 20+ years wasting treasure in the ME/Central Asia while ASEAN, China & India have continually expanded their economies, ironically w/ the help of US & other corporations.........

[Doc Dutch]

Hello Bill,



Actually the pandemic has served as a wake-up call. It has brought attention to the crucial difference between real leadership and pretending.

In a crisis a nation needs a real leader. A fake one can't cut it.

There is no amount of media manipulation that will make it go away. Just saying one day it will go away like a miracle has not produced the miracle.

Now is the time to beware of false prophets.

Agreed. Obviously we won't see much change after this election albeit Biden is an improvement, but our nation needs a better selection of leaders not just the same old, literally, also-rans the major parties keep offering.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Do you really believe that a single President can wave a wand and, within two terms as President, can fix the entire nation's budget? It doesn't work that way, IMO.

In a lot of ways we do get the government we deserve. If so, why do you think we deserve it? Just by voting for one party or another? I don't think so.

We have to vote for the candidate which will produce the more preferable results.

If we risk letting one which will produce very non-preferable results in then we have no one to blame but ourselves.

No, of course the president does not have sole control over the economy. But sound leadership makes a very big difference over irresponsible leadership.

[PoliTalker]

No, this can't be, we are the greatest of all time, the richest, the best God is on our side, a city on a hill, a light to the nations, only we, & we alone are exceptional........

[PoliTalker]

Hello Controlled Opposition,

It is an excellent article, particularly for the historical aspects. Think what you will of Trump, but 'the rot' was here long before he got here.

If we didn't have so many deplorables, DT would never have been able to take advantage of that hatred.

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

We are definitely the authors of our future history, aren't we?

As one voter, each of us does take part in our own shared destiny. But it is sort of like being able to contribute only one word to a sentence, and then hoping the sentence will say what you want it to.

[Doc Dutch]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Capitalism is a good thing and so is the kind of socialism that provides a safety net.

The measure of a nation is not how rich the richest can become.

It is how well the poorest are doing.

Agreed on all points. IMO, with our current level of technology, the best system our species has is a Federal Constitutional Republic government and a regulated capitalist economy. Government taxation funds the safety net for the sick, the elderly and minors plus help those who need a hand to become productive taxpayers.

An aphorism often misattributed to Gandhi (although I think he'd agree with it) is "The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members.”

Hubert Humphrey once said “The moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped.”

UK UN Ambassador Matthew Rycroft once said "How a society treats its most vulnerable – whether children, the infirm or the elderly – is always the measure of its humanity. Even more so during instability and conflict. When a society begins to disregard the vulnerable and their rights, instability and conflict will only grow."

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

Yep. I think the days where the national mindset was "We're all in this together; a rising tide floats all boats; etc." are long, long behind us.

No, they are not. That sentiment is still alive and well. It is a quieter, but larger and more powerful sentiment. America will pull together for the common good on November 3rd.