We may be living through an historic failure of government

[anatta]

Maybe you haven’t kept up, but Stage II COVID is all about an inflammatory process. Sans the immune system factor, COVID19 is just another respiratory virus. That’s why so many people get it then go on with their lives. Many people don’t even know they have it/had it.

The idea is to *prevent the immune response* from occurring. HCQ is a proven anti inflammatory/immunosuppressant that is no more ‘dangerous‘ than a host of other drugs that you can’t buy over the counter.

Think of it like you do masks: it can’t hurt to use it.

it reduced the initial viral load,meaning the COVID has a better chance of not going full blown cytokine storm

[Darth Omar]

Washington Post reporters Ariana Cha and Laurie McGinley were back again on May 22, with a new article shouting out the new supposed news: “Antimalarial drug touted by President Trump is linked to increased risk of death in coronavirus patients, study says.” The media uproar this time was based on a large study just published in the Lancet. There was just one problem. The Lancet paper was fraudulent and it was quickly retracted.

However, the damage from the biased media storm was done and it was long-lasting. Continuing patient enrollment needed for early-use clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine dried up within a week. Patients were afraid to take the drug, doctors became afraid to prescribe it, pharmacies refused to fill prescriptions, and in a rush of incompetent analysis and non-existent senior leadership, the FDA revoked its Emergency Use Authorization for the drug.

Yes, Stage II COVID patients are at risk of dying with/without HCQ on board.

Are there any Team Panic members who will defend this BS?

[Guno צְבִי]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ch_143875.html
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Good article—especially the graphs.

Bullet points:

COVID can be a two stage disease process

Good evidence of HCQ efficacy in early stage of COVID infections/little to no efficacy in late stages

Fauci doctrine: quarantine infections at home unless they develop Stage II symptoms [shortness of breath]

NIH/Fauci/FDA withdraw HCQ recommendations based on flawed studies and clinical trials that were applicable only to *late-stage* COVID patients.

Upshot: the government was telling infected people to stay quarantined *during the precise interval* when they should have been taking a pill that cost .60 cents and it could have saved thousands or tens of thousands of lives.

Travesty doesn’t begin to describe this.

yes because we should listen to a hillbilly hospital housekeeping employee with a high schools education instead of Doctors

[Darth Omar]

Following a careful regimen developed by doctors in France, some knowledgeable practicing U.S. physicians began prescribing hydroxychloroquine to patients still in the early phase of COVID infection. Its effects seemed dramatic. Patients still became sick, but for the most part they avoided hospitalization.

In contrast --- and in error -- the NIH-funded studies somehow became focused on giving hydroxychloroquine to late-presenting hospitalized patients. This was in spite of the fact that unlike the drug’s early use in ambulatory patients, there was no real data to support the drug’s use in more severe hospitalized patients. [OP link]
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How does this even manage to happen?

Consider this: US frontline doctors are talking to doctors in France and start having success with HCQ [very likely the HCQ/Zinc/Arythromycin cocktail but I’m not typing that out every time] but the NIH sticks it’s nose in the middle of it with their HCQ studies on late stage COVID patients.

Consequently, HCQ gets cut off and *many* people die on account of it.

Or am I missing something?

[Darth Omar]

yes because we should listen to a hillbilly hospital housekeeping employee with a high schools education instead of Doctors

Your posts are always so enlightening.

[AProudLefty]

Glad you realized that Trump has failed us.

[Darth Omar]

it reduced the initial viral load,meaning the COVID has a better chance of not going full blown cytokine storm

AND it has immunosuppressant properties.

Cheap, readily available and millions of people take it for rheumatoid arthritis, lupus and probably some other autoimmune disorders. And they aren’t dying from it.

But they want to put these people on the high priced remdesivir when it’s efficacy isn’t as well established.

How long has remdesivir been around?

[Darth Omar]

Glad you realized that Trump has failed us.

Is Trump late in firing some people?

[AProudLefty]

Is Trump late in firing some people?

Actually he was early. He fired the US pandemic response team.

[ExpressLane]

Historic government failure and look who’s in charge.

Nancy Pelosi and Schumer share some blame.

[T. A. Gardner]

You want a historic failure of government. If Biden and the Democrats take power, that will be a historic failure of government.

[ExpressLane]

Actually he was early. He fired the US pandemic response team.

VERDICT​
Partly false: The Trump administration disbanded the “pandemic response” team, but some of the team members were reassigned to roles that included pandemic response

Partly false claim: Trump fired entire pandemic response team in 2018

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN21C32M

[AProudLefty]

Partly false claim: Trump fired entire pandemic response team in 2018

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN21C32M

Didn't I say that? But thanks for trying to correct me anyway.

[AProudLefty]

You want a historic failure of government. If Biden and the Democrats take power, that will be a historic failure of government.

Are you a time traveller?

[BartenderElite]

You want a historic failure of government. If Biden and the Democrats take power, that will be a historic failure of government.

I would disagree.

One thing that Biden has over Trump in a big way is that he doesn't feel threatened by intelligence, or by those who disagree w/ him.

He'll surround himself with smart, competent and EXPERIENCED people. Trump's admin is kind of a joke in that respect (well, many have experience - just not for the position they've been given).