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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    So? Are you saying Trump is a fucking pusssified coward afraid of Congress?

    No because I fully support it. I'd like to see those who are so avid about Hydroxychloroquine to be allowed to ingest, snort or shoot up as much as they like.
    Lol k.

    Come to think about it, why should Trump need to do an EO? Is Fauci a wallflower? Why does it at least appear that Fauci is lying when he talks about HCQ? Fauci is a doctor but he’s never treated a single patient in his life.

    Does Fauci know something Earl’s doctor doesn’t know—about how to treat COVID patients?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Lol k.

    Come to think about it, why should Trump need to do an EO? Is Fauci a wallflower? Why does it at least appear that Fauci is lying when he talks about HCQ? Fauci is a doctor but he’s never treated a single patient in his life.

    Does Fauci know something Earl’s doctor doesn’t know—about how to treat COVID patients?
    That fact you put this on Fauci and off Trump tells me you agree Trump is too weak and too lame to do it. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Lol k.

    Come to think about it, why should Trump need to do an EO? Is Fauci a wallflower? Why does it at least appear that Fauci is lying when he talks about HCQ? Fauci is a doctor but he’s never treated a single patient in his life.

    Does Fauci know something Earl’s doctor doesn’t know—about how to treat COVID patients?
    My daughter “shadowed” my doctor after completing Pre-Med. No pay...I loaned him a book by Charles Krauthammer, “Things That
    Matter“ two years ago and he still hasn’t returned it. I don’t wish to be blunt but he squeezes a penny until...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    My daughter “shadowed” my doctor after completing Pre-Med. No pay...I loaned him a book by Charles Krauthammer, “Things That
    Matter“ two years ago and he still hasn’t returned it. I don’t wish to be blunt but he squeezes a penny until...
    They seem to come in two categories:

    They live beyond their means [often involving a wife with a credit card]; they are tight wads lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    That fact you put this on Fauci and off Trump tells me you agree Trump is too weak and too lame to do it. Thanks.
    So, whatever lol.

    Why does Fauci at least appear to be lying when he talks about HCQ?
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    This is big-time info! None of the shutdowns were necessary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    This is big-time info! None of the shutdowns were necessary!
    Shutdowns are another subject lol.

    The tide has turned on shutdowns: the Sun Belt is getting over their peaks *without* shutting down. Politically, this is bad timing for Democrats.
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    Where did Uncle Carp bugger off to lol?
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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ch_143875.html
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    Good article—especially the graphs.

    Bullet points:

    COVID can be a two stage disease process

    Good evidence of HCQ efficacy in early stage of COVID infections/little to no efficacy in late stages

    Fauci doctrine: quarantine infections at home unless they develop Stage II symptoms [shortness of breath]

    NIH/Fauci/FDA withdraw HCQ recommendations based on flawed studies and clinical trials that were applicable only to *late-stage* COVID patients.

    Upshot: the government was telling infected people to stay quarantined *during the precise interval* when they should have been taking a pill that cost .60 cents and it could have saved thousands or tens of thousands of lives.

    Travesty doesn’t begin to describe this.
    It is an opinion piece. It poses the outrageous claim that the FDA purposely steered America toward a more lethal policy, while giving absolutely no reason that the agency charged with maintaining America's health would do something to hurt America's health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Shutdowns are another subject lol.

    The tide has turned on shutdowns: the Sun Belt is getting over their peaks *without* shutting down. Politically, this is bad timing for Democrats.
    How many things have you said that about now?

    And somehow, Dems are poised to take back the Senate & expand their majorities elsewhere. What a mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    So, whatever lol.

    Why does Fauci at least appear to be lying when he talks about HCQ?
    I didn't know he was. OTOH, Trump has not only been touting it for months but claims he's taking it...daily. Why is Trump preventing Americans from doing likewise? Why does Trump refuse to give it to all Americans who want it?
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    "We may be living through an historic failure of government"

    I wonder where the buck stops?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Darth,



    It is an opinion piece. It poses the outrageous claim that the FDA purposely steered America toward a more lethal policy, while giving absolutely no reason that the agency charged with maintaining America's health would do something to hurt America's health.
    It’s an opinion piece with some damning graphs.

    I suppose they could be fabricated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ch_143875.html
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    Good article—especially the graphs.

    Bullet points:

    COVID can be a two stage disease process

    Good evidence of HCQ efficacy in early stage of COVID infections/little to no efficacy in late stages

    Fauci doctrine: quarantine infections at home unless they develop Stage II symptoms [shortness of breath]

    NIH/Fauci/FDA withdraw HCQ recommendations based on flawed studies and clinical trials that were applicable only to *late-stage* COVID patients.

    Upshot: the government was telling infected people to stay quarantined *during the precise interval* when they should have been taking a pill that cost .60 cents and it could have saved thousands or tens of thousands of lives.

    Travesty doesn’t begin to describe this.
    What a load of bollox.
    Graphs that use data that doesn't correct for anything? Deaths go up when the infections go up. If you don't at least correct data to the percentage of infections it is meaningless.
    Might as well show a graph that shows Covid-19 deaths under Obama through Trump and then claim that proves Obama prevented Covid-19 because the graph clearly shows the deaths from Covid skyrocketing when Trump is President. It would have as much validity as the graphs in this silly article.

    Go look at the graph for deaths in NY state.
    NY stopped using hydroxochloroquine on May 7th.
    You will see that the number of daily deaths has dropped since they stopped using hydroxochlorquine. Does this prove hydroxochloroquine was ineffective or it's use earlier caused more deaths?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    What a load of bollox.
    Graphs that use data that doesn't correct for anything? Deaths go up when the infections go up. If you don't at least correct data to the percentage of infections it is meaningless.
    Might as well show a graph that shows Covid-19 deaths under Obama through Trump and then claim that proves Obama prevented Covid-19 because the graph clearly shows the deaths from Covid skyrocketing when Trump is President. It would have as much validity as the graphs in this silly article.

    Go look at the graph for deaths in NY state.
    NY stopped using hydroxochloroquine on May 7th.
    You will see that the number of daily deaths has dropped since they stopped using hydroxochlorquine. Does this prove hydroxochloroquine was ineffective or it's use earlier caused more deaths?
    Depends when it was used.

    Stage II COVID can involve the heart and HCQ can cause cardiac arrhythmia in some patients. Not a good combination.

    Do you know whether they knew what they were doing in NY? Were they following guidelines in using HCQ during Phase II?
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