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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    So you're pro-genocide? That's not Christian.
    Nope....sure not. Just saying what would have happened and mixed in some humor is all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    So you're pro-genocide? That's not Christian.
    You mean like the Crusades?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Get specific and I'll answer.
    Wayyyyyyyy too much typing now. In fact, Im fixin to take a nice little 1 hour nap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    You mean like the Crusades?
    Believe it or don't but I think everything about the Crusades was shameful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Believe it or don't but I think everything about the Crusades was shameful.
    I believe you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Like anybody could take your word for what the Catholic church thinks.
    Deflection, do better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    The bible absolutely can be cherry-picked and bent. It is written in parable form and is imprecise enough to allow interpretation. It , to some, demands handling poisonous snakes. The wealthy think it justifies wealth as they are chosen to be rich by god. Same thing for slavery and war. The bible can be used for contrary positions and both will be absolutely certain they are correct.
    I meant the bible should not be cherry picked by amateurs of average intelligence, for the reasons I articulated in my previous post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You are not reading what the scripture says.

    The scripture was not written in English.

    The NT was written in ancient Greek and the OT was written in ancient Hebrew, neither of which you can read.

    Any translation, including a vernacular English translation, is a pale imitation of the original language the scripture were written in - and translations never are 100 percent successful and accurate at capturing the meaning and intent of the original language.

    That is why trained theologians spend years at colleges and seminary studying theology and frequently becoming familiar with Greek and Latin.

    The bible is not something that can be cherry picked for quotes. And I believe it is a dubious proportion to expect a person of average intelligence, reading a 20th century English translation of ancient Greek, to really become a theological expert on the meaning and intent of ancient scripture
    That will not stop them from trying though. I wonder how many of them stop to think that when they go to church/Sunday school, that what they are being taught is that particular minister's interpretation or idea of what a particular passage really means. It would be one thing to attend a lecture by one of the Biblical scholars you referred to, wherein he/she discusses particular verses in both the context of that entire passage but also in the context of the time and the world in which they were written. His interpretation would at least be backed by years of study and knowledge of the original language(s). Many of the evangelical preachers, otoh, don't even have degrees. When they claim that it's "the word of god," it's really the word of some humans who wrote it down, others who (mis)translated it, and yet others who translated it further -- and then filtered through the mind and mouth of the guy in the pulpit.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    Well it's obvious that it wasn't a church thing but a Christian thing. Christianity itself blended in aspects of pagan religions.

    "The roots of Christianity are interlaced with ancient pagan traditions and elements, mainly because the Church gained power through conversion. In order to convert the people of Europe (and the world) from their pagan beliefs, the Church felt they had to turn them against their beliefs by fear or adopt the pagan beliefs into the Christian religion."
    The virgin birth, death, and resurrection of Christ were also borrowed from earlier religions.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    That will not stop them from trying though. I wonder how many of them stop to think that when they go to church/Sunday school, that what they are being taught is that particular minister's interpretation or idea of what a particular passage really means. It would be one thing to attend a lecture by one of the Biblical scholars you referred to, wherein he/she discusses particular verses in both the context of that entire passage but also in the context of the time and the world in which they were written. His interpretation would at least be backed by years of study and knowledge of the original language(s). Many of the evangelical preachers, otoh, don't even have degrees. When they claim that it's "the word of god," it's really the word of some humans who wrote it down, others who (mis)translated it, and yet others who translated it further -- and then filtered through the mind and mouth of the guy in the pulpit.
    good insights

    Your garden variety fundamentalist seems to think it is child's play to read and interpret the bible, and to cherry pick quotes to support preconceived ideas.

    I am pretty sure there are fundamentalists who think the scripture was written in English. They have never even considered that they have never actually read the real New Testament, nor that it is extremely difficult for even trained theologians who can read Greek and Latin to read and interpret archaic texts which were written for the culture and mindset of people who lived thousands of years ago. Can you imagine how challenging it actually would be for an English speaking Deplorable of below average intelligence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Inspections were working, as were sanctions.

    War wasn't a last resort.
    Saddam had kicked the inspectors out and limited where they could look.

    Despots don't care about agreements, honesty, meeting their obligations or sanctions.

    War WAS the last resort. We tried for more than thirteen years to get him to comply.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    In 2003?
    It was 1990. The first Gulf War.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    And I guarantee the same claims will be echoed in several of the Evangelical churches

    Big mistake... evangelicals are cult not a real religion...religions do promote and accept the biggest crook in history
    trumputin...and keep voting for him after they know he's the anti-Christ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Saddam had kicked the inspectors out and limited where they could look.

    Despots don't care about agreements, honesty, meeting their obligations or sanctions.

    War WAS the last resort. We tried for more than thirteen years to get him to comply.
    Wrong.

    As of March, 2003, inspectors had unfettered access to all suspected sites.

    As of the last NIE before invasion, Saddam wasn't even a threat to his immediate neighbors.

    War was completely unnecessary. It was not a last resort. It's rare that a group is as vindicated by history as those who were against the war from the start.

    We were right. You were wrong.

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