So you are arguing two conflicting points:
On the one hand, you argue Russia is justified in retaliating via tit-for-tat because that's just what happens
But on the other hand, you argue Russia didn't attack our elections, but rather private Russians and private Russian businesses did.
So how come Russia's government responds tit-for-tat, as you said, but didn't have anything to do with its own people and businesses attacking our elections?
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Phantasmal (08-06-2020)
History DOES show that because of all the personal connections between the GRU and the IRA.
But this skips the big point, which is that you're claiming Russians were launching international attacks on our elections and Putin had no idea it was happening.
That requires quite a suspension of disbelief.
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Phantasmal (08-06-2020)
ROFL.. your mind only has an on/off switch!!
It cant do any nuance - there is no proof of Kremlin backed Russian interference thru the IRA -got that?
I mean it's important you finally get the base line.
which casts all this Russiaphobic jinoism into doubt -which means we dont know any line that exists or not
yet we write Mueller as it surely does, and the Press dutifully repeats it as true
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You're not answering it, though.
So do you believe that these Russians and Russian companies waged this massive attack on our elections under Putin's nose from 2014 (yes, the Russian attacks started in 2014) through today?
You're arguing Putin still doesn't know that his people and companies are attacking our elections?
To satisfy your argument, we have to suspend our disbelief that Putin wouldn't know about attacks on American elections by people in his own country, who report to his oligarch friends.
That's like asking me to suspend my disbelief that a serum really caused some bony kid from Brooklyn to become a super soldier in WWII.
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So you backed yourself into a corner, rhetorically...
You first argued that no one attacked our elections
Then, you argued that it was actually Clinton who had Ukraine attack our elections
Then, you argued that Mueller didn't say Russia attacked us
Then, you argued that Mueller did say Russia attacked us, but that he was sloppy
Then, you argued that Mueller did say Russia attacked us, but he was conflating the actions of private Russians with that of the Russian government
Then, you argued that Putin had no idea that people he is connected to were waging an attack on American democracy for the last 6 years
So in order for us to buy your argument, we have to suspend disbelief that Putin would be clueless to the attacks people and corporations in his country were making against our elections, after you had spent half a dozen posts justifying Russian "tit for tat"...in a thread about Russian plots that you say don't exist, but then go on to say exist within the thread.
You're a hack and a joke. A complete and total failure.
So, your argument has changed quite a bit, hasn't it? Yet mine has remained consistent and doesn't need qualifiers.
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LMAO @ this threadfail...
"There is no Russian Plot Against America....
...except for all the tit-for-tat...
...and except for all the actions Russia took...
...but if you don't count their actual plots, then there's no plots!"
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Phantasmal (08-06-2020)
Russia is now irretrievably part of The New Chinese Empire , they are out to hurt us, and after the Empire defeats us they will dance on the grave of our Super Power status.
Make no mistakes here.
I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.
DARK AGES SUCK!
Phantasmal (08-06-2020)
It did not need to be this way...our forcing Russia to hitch their wagon to China in a very humiliating deal where Russia is a very second rate partner may turn out to be a bigger driver of America's decline then the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We are so fucked, and we did it to ourselves to a large degree....Stupid gets charged by the Universe.
I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.
DARK AGES SUCK!
anatta (08-06-2020)
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