There Is No Russian Plot Against America

[Earl]

Someone being paid by the Russian Federation on this forum that rarely attracts more than 200-300 readers, many of whom are spiders and socks.

Good grief.

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It's complicated. The OP builds the case that "Russian interference is sporadic and a repsnce to our meddling not a plot
by the Kremlin to bring down democracy and other shrill hype.. as to the IRA -again read the OP

the Internet Research Agency was originally created in 2013 to mess not with American voters but with Russia’s domestic opposition, among other subjects, by increasing Internet traffic to certain regime-friendly websites. Its modus operandi on the domestic side, with poorly paid “Internet operators” working under loose directives and leaving comments on various websites, suggests that the specific slogans and memes the IRA’s trolls later pushed into the American information space were generated by the group itself and not explicitly by the Kremlin.

So again, you are saying or claiming that Russian interference in our election is our fault, correct?

[LV426]

the IRA wasn't a Kremlin Op = no "Russian gov't interference" .what was done was clik bait

So to reiterate, your argument is that private individual Russians and private Russian companies interfered in our elections, and did so independently of the Russian government?

[LV426]

Someone being paid by the Russian Federation on this forum that rarely attracts more than 200-300 readers, many of whom are spiders and socks.

Good grief.

The point of this forum for people like dukkha isn't to disseminate propaganda to the users here...the point of this forum for people like anatta is to sharpen and test out rhetoric before disseminating it across broader social media like Twitter and Facebook.

[anatta]

So again, you are saying or claiming that Russian interference in our election is our fault, correct?

it's a breakdown of the relationship that started with NATO expansion, using NATO as an economic weapon
( Euromaidan meddling to overturn Russian /UK trade pact) which begot the Crimean annexation

which ruined the Russian Reset, which devolved into tit for tat sanctions and mutual silly ops

[LV426]

it's a breakdown of the relationship that started with NATO expansion, using NATO as an economic weapon
( Euromaidan meddling to overturn Russian /UK trade pact) which begot the Crimean annexation

which ruined the Russian Reset, which devolved into tit for tat sanctions and mutual silly ops

But you were arguing that it wasn't the Russian government who attacked our elections, but rather individual, private Russians doing so for kicks, I guess.

This post of yours runs in direct contradiction to your insistence earlier in this thread that Russia is doing "tit for tat".

[anatta]

So to reiterate, your argument is that private individual Russians and private Russian companies interfered in our elections, and did so independently of the Russian government?

there is no proof of Kremlin/ IRA ties, same as Crowdstrike has no proof of "Russian hacking the DNC"

[anatta]

But you were arguing that it wasn't the Russian government who attacked our elections, but rather individual, private Russians doing so for kicks, I guess.

This post of yours runs in direct contradiction to your insistence earlier in this thread that Russia is doing "tit for tat".

commecical reasons -same reason it was started.
the tit for tat is US/Russian measures in general ( like the sanctions, and Flynn getting Putin to hold of on mutual sanctions)

[LV426]

there is no proof of Kremlin/ IRA ties, same as Crowdstrike has no proof of "Russian hacking the DNC"

So you are saying that it was private Russians and private Russian companies who interfered (and continue to interfere) in our elections?

[Nordberg]

it's a breakdown of the relationship that started with NATO expansion, using NATO as an economic weapon
( Euromaidan meddling to overturn Russian /UK trade pact) which begot the Crimean annexation

which ruined the Russian Reset, which devolved into tit for tat sanctions and mutual silly ops

NATO is a defensive organization that was created to show a firm and united stand against expansionist Russia. Putin wants it wrecked. Trump is doing that.

[LV426]

commecical reasons -same reason it was started.

So Russian companies and oligarchs are in the habit of operating independently of Putin's oversight? Since when?

[anatta]

So you are saying that it was private Russians and private Russian companies who interfered (and continue to interfere) in our elections?

so you are asking the same thing 3x as usual?

[anatta]

So Russian companies and oligarchs are in the habit of operating independently of Putin's oversight? Since when?

lol.
DA RUSSIANS!! please. not every road goes to the Kremlin -some do -some dont

[LV426]

commecical reasons -same reason it was started.
the tit for tat is US/Russian measures in general ( like the sanctions, and Flynn getting Putin to hold of on mutual sanctions)

So then it was the Russian government behind the attacks on our elections doing a tit for tat?

Because you can't argue that Russia acts "tit-for-tat", and then in the next breath say "well THIS wasn't tit for tat".

I mean you could, but you'd end up contradicting yourself and casting doubt on your sincerity and integrity.

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it's a breakdown of the relationship that started with NATO expansion, using NATO as an economic weapon
( Euromaidan meddling to overturn Russian /UK trade pact) which begot the Crimean annexation

which ruined the Russian Reset, which devolved into tit for tat sanctions and mutual silly ops

Which has absolutely nothing to do with your topic post, “there is no Russian plot against America”

You are just listing American actions you believe pissed off Russia attempting to create a false paradigm