People live longer in blue states than red; new study points to impact-state policies

[blackascoal]

ELLE OH ELLE!!

It's called the Supplemental Poverty Rate which is the updated version of tracking poverty and California is number one.

It's funny how you think saying that means I hate the state and shouldn't live here. Why would anyone live in a state then, according to your logic, that doesn't vote the same way they do?

Why do you, or anyone, live in America if you have disagreements or issues with its politics which equates to hating America by your logic?

Obviously brother you don’t understand logic. I asked a question based on your constant crying about the state you live in. Moving isn’t that difficult. I used to live there .. I moved.

I live in America because I was born to it .. family lives here .. thus I’m committed to trying to make it live up to its promises.

A like answer from you would have sufficed.

Pardon me for using the OFficial measure of poverty, which is more widel used. .. but even by the SPM California ranks 26th.

[StoneByStone]

Except its the largest state in the Union with 40 million people. I can help you out here without some bogus study. Generally speaking rich people are healthier and live longer lives. Thus areas with more wealthier people will have longer life spans.

Now if you want to give me a study that compares the life span of rich Asians in Ohio compared to rich Asians in California. Compares poor white people in New York to poor white people in Kentucky. Compares poor black people in Connecticut to poor black people in Georgia and we have material differences then that is saying something.

Well duh, blue states do better than red states because of economics. Instead of wealth pooling within a tiny minority, it spreads more evenly throughout society.
I know it goes against the feels, but liberal economics produce better societies. And not just within America. Liberal countries are far more successful than conservative countries too.

[T. A. Gardner]

What matters most is a life lived well, not a life long lived without meaning.

[cawacko]

Obviously brother you don’t understand logic. I asked a question based on your constant crying about the state you live in. Moving isn’t that difficult. I used to live there .. I moved.

I live in America because I was born to it .. family lives here .. thus I’m committed to trying to make it live up to its promises.

A like answer from you would have sufficed.

Pardon me for using the OFficial measure of poverty, which is more widel used. .. but even by the SPM California ranks 26th.

If disagreeing with politics be they local, state or federal is crying then all we do in America is cry.

It's like in America today there's zero room for nuance. There's a lot about California I love. I also strongly disagree with many things we do here politically and yes I discuss them on a political discussion board. And as many of us know the old adage is 'as goes California so goes the country'. So if I lived in Montana and discuss local Montana politics most people understandably wouldn't give a sh*t. But California is the largest state in the Union and what happens here affects what happens around the country. And when people point to California and say I want to transport their politics nationally I will talk about it. That doesn't mean I hate California.

And not living here you probably don't read the local papers on a regular basis. Whether it's the SF Chronicle, LA Times or Sac Bee a google search will show you numerous articles they have written stating California has the highest poverty rate. Here's just one article.

California still No. 1 in poverty

https://calmatters.org/commentary/20...-1-in-poverty/

[cawacko]

Well duh, blue states do better than red states because of economics. Instead of wealth pooling within a tiny minority, it spreads more evenly throughout society.
I know it goes against the feels, but liberal economics produce better societies. And not just within America. Liberal countries are far more successful than conservative countries too.

Have you ever been to California? We have the most wealth, highest poverty rate and a middle class that has been leaving for years. It is not spread out evenly throughout the state. Nothing even close to that.

[StoneByStone]

Have you ever been to California? We have the most wealth, highest poverty rate and a middle class that has been leaving for years. It is not spread out evenly throughout the state. Nothing even close to that.

One state. Literally one state. Like I said, California is the exception to the rule.

[cawacko]

One state. Literally one state. Like I said, California is the exception to the rule.

Feel free to show data that California is the exception to the rule as far as inequality within each state as I’d be interested in seeing it

[StoneByStone]

Feel free to show data that California is the exception to the rule as far as inequality within each state as I’d be interested in seeing it

Look up legit any article on living standards, human development index, or economic security. The blue states, on average, do better than the red states.

[cawacko]

Look up legit any article on living standards, human development index, or economic security. The blue states, on average, do better than the red states.

Here’s an article from two years ago. Look at the states at the top of income inequality list. Pretty clear Cali is not the exception.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/us-s...nequality.html

[StoneByStone]

Here’s an article from two years ago. Look at the states at the top of income inequality list. Pretty clear Cali is not the exception.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/us-s...nequality.html

Even in that one, the blue states are doing better than the red states on average.

[cawacko]

Even in that one, the blue states are doing better than the red states on average.

You realize the top of the list is the highest inequality correct?

[StoneByStone]

You realize the top of the list is the highest inequality correct?

Yes, I'm going by the overall number of states. On average, the blue states are doing better.

And really, is this surprising? Look at countries around the world. Would you rather live under right-wing economies like Saudi Arabia or left-wing economies like Switzerland?

[cawacko]

Yes, I'm going by the overall number of states. On average, the blue states are doing better.

And really, is this surprising? Look at countries around the world. Would you rather live under right-wing economies like Saudi Arabia or left-wing economies like Switzerland?

Now you've moved multiple goal posts. You started with saying Cali was the exception to the rule and that was shown to be false. So you turn to global economies? Saudi Arabia is an oil based economy with massive welfare benefits given to its citizens, many of whom work for the government, and that's right wing? And Sweden which is market based economy (with generous welfare benefits) is left wing? Do you just make this stuff up?

[StoneByStone]

Now you've moved multiple goal posts. You started with saying Cali was the exception to the rule and that was shown to be false.

In the studies I've seen, California was the one exception. From what you've shown me, there are a few exceptions, but blue states still (on average) do better than red states. That's not moving multiple goalposts since my original point was that blue states do better.

So you turn to global economies? Saudi Arabia is an oil based economy with massive welfare benefits given to its citizens, many of whom work for the government, and that's right wing? And Sweden which is market based economy (with generous welfare benefits) is left wing? Do you just make this stuff up?

I brought up global economics to show that it's not just within America that this happens. It's the same thing when we're talking about the differences between countries.

Serious question, do you know the historical definitions of right-wing and left-wing?

[cawacko]

In the studies I've seen, California was the one exception. From what you've shown me, there are a few exceptions, but blue states still (on average) do better than red states. That's not moving multiple goalposts since my original point was that blue states do better.



I brought up global economics to show that it's not just within America that this happens. It's the same thing when we're talking about the differences between countries.

Serious question, do you know the historical definitions of right-wing and left-wing?

What are the wealthiest states that are blue? Cali, New York, Connecticut, Mass, Illinois and New Jersey. All at the top of the list for inequality. So don’t tell me blue states somehow have this great distribution of wealth.

As for how to define right and left wing

Right wing = free(er) markets (market economies)
Left wing = more command economies