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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    What are the wealthiest states that are blue? Cali, New York, Connecticut, Mass, Illinois and New Jersey. All at the top of the list for inequality. So don’t tell me blue states somehow have this great distribution of wealth.
    If you're going to limit it that way, sure. If you're going to look at all of the states, then blue states tend to have less inequality.
    Though I also think that overall living standards are more important than any one thing. Being poor in a state that has generous social programs isn't as bad as being in a state that doesn't.
    https://www.homesnacks.net/these-are...merica-123067/

    As for how to define right and left wing

    Right wing = free(er) markets (market economies)
    Left wing = more command economies
    So that's incorrect. The Left vs Right divide goes back to the French Revolution. The Left wanted Democracy and a redistribution of power spread more evenly. The Right wanted power to remain in the hands of the Aristocracy. When it became clear that Democracy was the new law of the land, the Right decided that they could use Capitalism and Christianity to keep power in a hierarchical structure. The Right is not about free markets, it's about strict hierarchy. From Edmund Burke to Ayn Rand to Jordan Peterson, it's always about hierarchy.
    This is why the Right has been opposed to any social movement that redistributes wealth and power in any way. It's also why government grows bigger under Republicans. It's not about small government, never was.

    So with all that being said, a country like Saudi Arabia is right-wing, both in terms of culture and economics. A country like Switzerland is left-wing.
    Notice how the most culturally liberal countries also just happen to have smaller government.

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    ^what? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    If you're going to limit it that way, sure. If you're going to look at all of the states, then blue states tend to have less inequality.
    Though I also think that overall living standards are more important than any one thing. Being poor in a state that has generous social programs isn't as bad as being in a state that doesn't.
    https://www.homesnacks.net/these-are...merica-123067/



    So that's incorrect. The Left vs Right divide goes back to the French Revolution. The Left wanted Democracy and a redistribution of power spread more evenly. The Right wanted power to remain in the hands of the Aristocracy. When it became clear that Democracy was the new law of the land, the Right decided that they could use Capitalism and Christianity to keep power in a hierarchical structure. The Right is not about free markets, it's about strict hierarchy. From Edmund Burke to Ayn Rand to Jordan Peterson, it's always about hierarchy.
    This is why the Right has been opposed to any social movement that redistributes wealth and power in any way. It's also why government grows bigger under Republicans. It's not about small government, never was.

    So with all that being said, a country like Saudi Arabia is right-wing, both in terms of culture and economics. A country like Switzerland is left-wing.
    Notice how the most culturally liberal countries also just happen to have smaller government.
    I forgot, you’re a racial separatist socialist millennial and thus don’t have memories of the lefts support for command economies such as the Soviet Union and Cuba. And since they were shown to be total failures folks such as yourself act like that was inevitable instead of the future as it was often called at the time (and you see older Democratic politicians having to walk back their support for Castro) Capitalism is better than any other system conceived for generating rising living standards, innovation and personal freedom. Yes capitalism has flaws, no denying that, but the above sentence is true. That’s right wing, or classic liberalism, economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    I forgot, you’re a racial separatist socialist millennial and thus don’t have memories of the lefts support for command economies such as the Soviet Union and Cuba.
    Nope. The Left never supported the Soviet Union. During the Russian Provisional Government, the Left voted for a Liberal Democracy. The Bolsheviks, being typical right-wing Fascists, used force to take over and create a Fascist government. And did the Bolsheviks create collective ownership like the Marxists wanted? No, instead they created State Capitalism which was more similar to economies that Fascists had in Germany, Italy, Austria, and Spain.
    As for the Cuban Revolution, there are two important things to consider. First, Cuba already had a dictatorship. If Democracy had been an option, the Left would have chosen that, but it wasn't. There was no chance at a vote, like in Russia, so the Left was forced to choose between two Dictators. They chose the less shitty one.
    Secondly, the Revolution happened during the Cold War, which is why Cuba needed to be Authoritarian. They're an island country next to the American Empire in a time when America was the aggressor. Russia and China have no excuse, but I totally understand why Cuba needed a government like this.

    Capitalism is better than any other system conceived for generating rising living standards, innovation and personal freedom. Yes capitalism has flaws, no denying that, but the above sentence is true. That’s right wing, or classic liberalism, economics.
    So why do countries with Social Democracy do better than America and other countries with Capitalism?
    And why are countries like the Soviet Union and Maoist China considered Socialist when they did not have collective ownership?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    Republicans do love to live in shitholes
    I'm convinced. We're moving to Detroit or maybe south Shitcago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    I'm convinced. We're moving to Detroit or maybe south Shitcago.
    Better buy a gun and learn how to use it.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Better buy a gun and learn how to use it.
    Ha, I lived in N.O. , LA . You'd be negligent to not be armed there. After two friends and an uncle were murdered in that shithole I left in '91.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Better buy a gun and learn how to use it.
    And a bullet proof vest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Ha, I lived in N.O. , LA . You'd be negligent to not be armed there. After two friends and an uncle were murdered in that shithole I left in '91.
    May I suggest moving to Baltimore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Look up legit any article on living standards, human development index, or economic security. The blue states, on average, do better than the red states.
    Except California...

    While California’s economy outperforms the nation’s, its level of income inequality exceeds that of all but five states. Families at the top of the income distribution in California have 12.3 times the income of families at the bottom ($262,000 versus $21,000, for the 90th and 10th percentiles, respectively, in 2018), measured before taxes and safety net programs. The disparity is present throughout the state. Current government policies substantially narrow the gap between rich and poor.
    https://www.ppic.org/publication/inc...in-california/

    California is the golden state — at least for those at the top of the income scale. For everyone else, the nickname may apply more to the sun than to money.

    That’s one takeaway of an analysis of U.S.Census Bureau data by the California Budget and Policy Center (CBPC), which found a widening gap between the state’s haves and have-nots.
    https://calmatters.org/california-di...s-are-extreme/

    Or New York...

    Regarding New York, the report’s key findings include:

    The top 1 percent earned 45 times more than the bottom 99 percent in New York, the greatest disparity of any state. Connecticut ranked second with a top-to-bottom ratio of nearly 43. Wyoming was third, followed by Nevada and Florida. (Table 1)
    The average annual income of the top 1 percent was $2 million (Table 1), and New York’s richest 1/100 of top 1% (“the 1% of the 1%”) had average incomes of $61.6 million, second to Connecticut’s $69.5 million. (Table 4)
    Within New York State, only two counties—New York (Manhattan) and Westchester—have greater top-to-bottom income ratios than the state overall. In Manhattan, the average income of the top 1% ($8.1 million) was 116 times that of the 99% ($70,500), while in Westchester County, the average income of the top 1% ($4.3 million) was 54 times that of the 99% ($80,300).
    High levels of income polarization are not limited to downstate New York. The third most income-polarized county was Saratoga, north of Albany, where the $1.8 million average income for the top 1% was 35 times that of the $51,500 average income for the 99%.
    A three decade-long era of shared prosperity came to an end in 1979 when the 1%’s income share started to rise dramatically in New York and in every state in the United States. Since 1979, the average incomes of the top 1% have grown by 272% in inflation-adjusted terms in New York, while the average incomes of the 99% rose a meager 5.4%.
    http://fiscalpolicy.org/nys-leads-na...ome-inequality

    Basically in Blue states there is the greatest amount of income inequality and unfairness in social and economic justice there is in the US. So much for Progressives delivering on their ideas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    May I suggest moving to Baltimore?
    Only if they cancelled the murderous police dept. We all know how unsafe it is with police lurking.
    Well at least they let criminals be criminals after Freddy Gray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Except California...



    https://www.ppic.org/publication/inc...in-california/



    https://calmatters.org/california-di...s-are-extreme/

    Or New York...



    http://fiscalpolicy.org/nys-leads-na...ome-inequality

    Basically in Blue states there is the greatest amount of income inequality and unfairness in social and economic justice there is in the US. So much for Progressives delivering on their ideas...
    The only way you can say there is more income inequality in the blue states is if you single out the exceptions. If you take all states into consideration, there is no question which states have less inequality as well as more overall living standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymoose View Post
    Only if they cancelled the murderous police dept. We all know how unsafe it is with police lurking.
    Well at least they let criminals be criminals after Freddy Gray.
    When I started working for a food service company back around '01, on my first day, we went to Baltimore. The driver said to watch out for thugs. It was the first time in my life that I saw every convenience store front with steel bars, some you couldn't even enter, they just had a window with bullet-proof glass. While unloading, a thug walked up the ramp to our trailer to steal whatever, so the driver slammed the trailer door shut and locked him in. Apparently he was unconformable in a dark, refrigerated trailer because it sounded like a freight train in there. A cop was driving past so we told him there was a thief in our trailer and he cuffed the thug and put him in his car. The cop drove about a block down the street and left him out of the car. Apparently (attempted) theft isn't a crime in Baltimore. The driver asked me if I still wanted to work there when we got back!
    Long story short, I worked there for about a year and a half before the company built a new warehouse too far away and I went back into the machine shop business. We went to DC, Alexandria (and number of Army and Navy bases, including the Pentagon), Phila, Trenton, Manhattan, Boston to name just a few. Don't get me wrong, there were some nice places, but I'd never live in the inner cities. The rats in Manhattan are as big as groundhogs!
    All in all, it was an experience I would do again (I made great money!), but the average day was 14-16+ hours, from the time we left until we returned home (some were overnighters, we stayed at a motel) and it was hard work emptying a trailer loaded with 36,000+ lbs. of food using a handcart running up and down a narrow ramp and up and down lots of stairs (every delivery in Manhattan was in a basement) every day.
    Common sense is not a gift, it's a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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    [QUOTE=Bill;3818063]
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    Learn to think for yourself. Stop stealing the arguments of others and using them as your own.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Noam N. Levey 10 hrs ago

    Weak environmental protections, safety rules and labor and civil rights protections may be cutting lives short in conservative states and deepening the divide between red and blue states, according to a new study on links between life expectancy and state policy.
    Total BULLSHIT! This entire article and post is trying to justify tyranny as a means to lengthen life.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    The report, published Tuesday in the health policy journal Milbank Quarterly, finds that states where residents live longest, including California, tend to have much more stringent environmental laws, tougher tobacco and firearms regulations and more protections for workers, minorities and LGBTQ residents.
    BULLSHIT.
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    Since the mid-1980s, the gap among U.S. states in how long their residents live has widened, reversing decades of progress toward greater equality.
    Making up numbers. BULLSHIT.
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    One group of states, mostly in the Northeast and the West, have seen average life expectancies rise relatively steadily, placing them on par with the wealthiest nations of Western Europe. Those states tend to have more stringent regulations.
    Making up numbers. BULLSHIT.
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    By contrast, the life expectancy in states with more conservative health, labor and social policies — concentrated in the South andAppalachia — have stagnated in recent decades, according to the study, which adds to growing research on health and political disparities between states.
    Making up numbers. BULLSHIT.
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    California has among the highest average life expectancies in the country, at 81.3 years. It also had the most liberal policies in the nation in 2014, the most recent year the study analyzed, according to the system the authors developed to rank states.
    Making up numbers. BULLSHIT.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Although the study's authors note that they can't prove that state policies caused the gap in life expectancy, the correlation is a persistent one across multiple states and several decades.
    Of course they can't. They are MAKING UP RANDOM NUMBERS and using them as data.
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    “It’s disheartening to see another example of a missed opportunity by policymakers,” said David Radley, senior scientist at the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund who studies differences in state health policies and the effects on people’s health. Radley was not involved in Milbank report.
    The Milbank report is total BULLSHIT.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    The new report may help shape efforts to rethink government policy in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, which has exposed deep structural weaknesses in the U.S. as well as yawning gaps in many state safety nets.
    There is no 'coronavirus pandemic'. Only 0.3% of the population is infected. The death rate is only 0.002% of the population. This virus is much milder than H1N1 was a few years ago, when Democrats didn't lock down the economy to make Trump look bad, and no one was panicking about masks, and people went about their daily lives. Fuck you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    “The overarching conclusion is clear: States that have invested in their populations’ social and economic well-being by enacting more liberal policies over time tend to be the same states that have made considerable gains in life expectancy,” the study’s authors wrote.
    Total BULLSHIT. This author is obviously trying to justify Marxism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Even before the current public health crisis, life expectancy in the U.S. had been declining, setting America apart from most other wealthy nations. That decline has fueled tough questions about domestic policy.
    More made up numbers. BULLSHIT.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    The opioid epidemic, which has had a devastating impact on regions of the country already hit hard by economic stagnation, has been the focus of a lot of the discussion about that shift.
    Never mind the deaths caused by alcohol, pot, heroin, meth, fentanyl, acid, cigarettes, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    But Syracuse University sociologist Jennifer Karas Montez, the lead author of the new study, said the impact of opioids may be only part of the story.
    Another University Idiot pushing Marxism.
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    “When we look at what is happening with life expectancy, the tendency is to focus on individual explanations about what Americans are doing,” she said, noting obesity and smoking behaviors as well as drug use. “But state policies are so important.”
    No. Getting off the damned drugs is what is important.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    To assess what role these policies may be playing, Montez and other researchers reviewed more than 120 policies enacted by states over the years and assessed whether each policy choice in each state was more liberal or more conservative.
    Total BULLSHIT. Marxism doesn't work. It is theft.
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    Policies included housing rules such as rent control;
    Rent controls don't work. They cause a housing shortage. It is fascism.
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    health and welfare policies such as Medicaid eligibility and welfare limits;
    High taxes to pay for medical care doesn't work. Welfare doesn't work. They are both theft.
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    labor protections such as paid sick leave and minimum wages;
    Minimum wage laws are price controls. Price controls don't work. Minimum wage laws put people out of work. They are fascism.
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    and civil rights policies such as gender discrimination bans,
    Fascism.
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    hate-crime laws
    Vandalism, assault, arson, and murder are already illegal. Why do you need 'hate crime' laws?
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    and same-sex marriage.
    Doesn't support life at all. Same sex couples are not capable of producing a child.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    They also looked at state abortion restrictions,
    Abortion of a child is killing a child. That is not a good life expectancy for the child.
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    tax policy,
    High taxes mean crappy economy.
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    education spending,
    You mean propaganda spending.
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    immigration rules
    Determined by the federal government, not by any State.
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    and gun control laws.
    BULLSHIT. No correlation. See the FBI records on this. Gun control laws are illegal in the United States. There's this thing called the 2nd amendment, you see.
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    Each state was ranked by how liberal or conservative its policies overall have been, going back to 1970.
    Another 'best of' and 'worst of' list. BULLSHIT opinions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    The researchers then compared these findings to trends in life expectancy in all 50 states.
    No such data. Random numbers.
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    Montez said the trends they saw were unmistakable. They also correlated with important points in the nation’s political history.
    BULLSHIT. There is no data. Manufactured numbers are not data.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Through the 1960s and 1970s, for example, state life expectancies generally converged. That trend began to reverse in the mid-1980s, around the same time that a conservative movement, led by President Reagan and mirrored in many state capitols, became ascendant.
    Yet another push for Marxism, calling Reagan 'evil'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    The gap between states accelerated further after 2010, when sweeping Republican victories in state elections shifted policies further to the right in many places.
    BULLSHIT. Bigotry. Random numbers are not data.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    By 2017, residents of the state with the highest life expectancy — Hawaii — were living on average seven years longer than residents of the state with the lowest life expectancy — Mississippi.
    BULLSHIT. Random numbers are not data. I've lived in Hawaii.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    By contrast, the gap between the best- and worst-performing states in 1984 was less than five years.
    BULLSHIT numbers again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    The gap is not only about policy: States where people live longer tend to be wealthier and have better educated populations, for example.
    BULLSHIT numbers again. Pushing for Marxism again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    But Montez noted that decisions by state leaders have helped shape those factors.
    You can take your Marxism and stuff it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    “States like Connecticut are investing in their population, investing in schools, setting an economic floor for their workers, discouraging behaviors like smoking that kill people,”
    You can't 'invest in the population'. you can't 'invest in schools'. They have no ROI. Since schools are basically propaganda centers now, students leave these schools almost as illiterate as when the started them.
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    she explained. “You have other states like Mississippi and Oklahoma that aren’t doing any of this.”
    Irrelevant.
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    In Connecticut, whose policies have become steadily more liberal over the last half century, life expectancy increased 5.8 years between 1980 and 2017 to 80.7 years.
    BULLSHIT numbers. Random made up numbers are not data.
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    In Oklahoma, which has become markedly more conservative, life expectancy increased only 2.2 years over the same period, reaching 75.8 years in 2017.
    BULLSHIT numbers. Random made up numbers are not data.
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    Pushing the same Marxism and quoting the same BULLSHIT numbers is still lying.

    Take your 'studies' and stick 'em where the sun don't shine, then you crawl in after it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    Red states have higher poverty rates than blue states. As for cost of living, that isn't always an accurate reflection of quality of life. European countries with a higher cost of living than America usually have better health, education, employment, and so on.
    BULLSHIT numbers. You are making shit up.

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